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A fella in St. Petersburg, Russia contacted me about some info on this Burgsmuller retailed Vierordt & Cie Drilling chambered in 9,3X82R w/ a 12.7 gramme projectile. You just don't see these that often. Made & proved in Zella - Mehlis in May 1913. ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/51/35/s3dMMwwa_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/ad/6e/c5eYgqcP_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/78/da/GdEINnR3_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/02/95/lNlqcxN5_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/a0/36/PelgrlF3_t.jpg) Appears it was 1st proofed for Shot or misstamped??? ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/fb/14/ByIPrTLs_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/a8/2c/wVcXhfSe_t.jpg) Nr. 25 - Kaliber 9,3X82, mit Rand, mit Bleigeschoß und Schwarzpulver geladen. Diese Patrone wurde früher für Büchsflinten, Doppelbüchsen und Drillinge gewünscht. Wir führen sie nur der Vollständigkeit wegen mit auf. ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/f7/64/uclfvrhb_t.jpg) DRs, but similar in nature. Hochachtungsvoll, Raimey rse
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![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/c3/76/NuRdS0CW_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/64/55/WJEMdau6_t.jpg) Hochachtungsvoll, Raimey rse
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![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/fd/f9/Zte8Pr1G_t.jpg) I do wonder what the reinforcement might be around the 9.3X83R striker might be? Hochachtungsvoll, Raimey rse
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It looks like Vierordt & Compagnie shuttered its door in 1920 & then Krieghoff acquired them in 1922?
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Raimey,
The early 9.3 ammo was primed with the M71 6.45mm (.254") primers and we often see a circle around the firing pin that looks like the "reinforcement" you observed, caused by corrosive gas leakage around the large primers. Early 8.15x46Rs also used these primers and often show the same circle, as do rifles chambered for 11.15x60 R or other cartridges based on that case.
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Great Info there Ford. I guess I have not see enough 9.3X82R strikers nor 8,15X 46.5R. So the the powder residue actually ate into the standing breech/frame. Does the corrosion actually affect performance?
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Nr. 25 - Kaliber 9,3X82, mit Rand, mit Bleigeschoß und Schwarzpulver geladen. Diese Patrone wurde früher für Büchsflinten, Doppelbüchsen und Drillinge gewünscht. Wir führen sie nur der Vollständigkeit wegen mit auf. So I guess igniting the ole Schwarzpulver(Blackpowder) added to the mix also? Hochachtungsvoll, Raimey rse
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So I guess igniting the ole Schwarzpulver(Blackpowder) added to the mix also? What do you strive to express? (yes, the choice of verb is a pun too)
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What I was striving to express was what stress would the coupled Mercury Primer with the Black Powder Express add to the Test of the steel standing breech?
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The 9.3x82r is an interesting cartridge. I have a Max Knoll double rifle nitro proofed in 1925 that is 9.3x82R. Originally this was a black powder cartridge. It is 3 1/4" long. Cases are somewhat hard to find. Bertram said they were running some cases in the near future.
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