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Originally Posted by Nitrah
A sleeved gun that was chopper lump to start is nothing like this and no more likely to fail

It is more likely to fail than a monobloc.

The problem isn’t the joining method, the problem is that they are joined at all. The guys that were building guns that had the barrels entirely hogged out of a solid lump of steel had the right idea.

https://www.longthorneguns.com/the-range/innovation/

Remember, Kirk Merrington considered relaying ribs to be regular maintenance.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Do you mean like this Parker Reproduction?

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I believe that was a brazed shoe lump that fell off the barrels. I keep the photo around simply to remind me to have nothing to do with sleeved guns. Of course a Parker Reproduction isn’t a sleeved gun, but, to me, the point is the same. I’m not sure that what we are looking at can be economically repaired, and, if I’m being honest, I don’t care.

I don’t own a Parker Reproduction.

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I wouldn’t consider that shoe lump construction, of which I’ve never seen fail. It’s good enough for Westley Richard’s to use for their double rifles, as well as Heym.


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Originally Posted by gunmaker
I wouldn’t consider that shoe lump construction, of which I’ve never seen fail. It’s good enough for Westley Richard’s to use for their double rifles, as well as Heym.

As I understand it, platform lump and shoe lump are the same basic type, with some differing a bit in the amount of "purchase" the brazing has to work with. They differ from almost all other methods in that they have no mechanical joining but are totally dependent on the brazing/soldering to stay together.

This is the only available description, with drawings, that I am aware of. https://www.hallowellco.com/lumps.htm

In the drawing on Hallowell's site, for shoe lump construction, you can see the additional area for braze, as compared to the amount of area in the pic of the Parker Repro above.


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On this or a referenced thread, it was said that the Repro ribs would come loose if the repair were done by brazing or silver soldering at high temperature. On this or another referenced thread, it is said that the Repro lugs and ribs were brazed. Well, which is it?

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Originally Posted by gunmaker
Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Do you mean like this Parker Reproduction?

[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]

I believe that was a brazed shoe lump that fell off the barrels. I keep the photo around simply to remind me to have nothing to do with sleeved guns. Of course a Parker Reproduction isn’t a sleeved gun, but, to me, the point is the same. I’m not sure that what we are looking at can be economically repaired, and, if I’m being honest, I don’t care.

I don’t own a Parker Reproduction.

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I wouldn’t consider that shoe lump construction, of which I’ve never seen fail. It’s good enough for Westley Richard’s to use for their double rifles, as well as Heym.


Obviously, it wasn’t good enough to use on this Parker Reproduction. Regardless of semantics.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
I don’t pursue Parker reproductions. When I see them at a gun show, I don’t usually even pick them up. None of my friends that shoot own them.

I’ve seen three, and have a photo of one.

Take it for what it is.

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Originally Posted by Wild Skies
Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
I don’t pursue Parker reproductions. When I see them at a gun show, I don’t usually even pick them up. None of my friends that shoot own them.

I’ve seen three, and have a photo of one.

Take it for what it is.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Do you mean like this Parker Reproduction?

[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]

I believe that was a brazed shoe lump that fell off the barrels. I keep the photo around simply to remind me to have nothing to do with sleeved guns. Of course a Parker Reproduction isn’t a sleeved gun, but, to me, the point is the same. I’m not sure that what we are looking at can be economically repaired, and, if I’m being honest, I don’t care.

I don’t own a Parker Reproduction.

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I wouldn’t consider that shoe lump construction, of which I’ve never seen fail. It’s good enough for Westley Richard’s to use for their double rifles, as well as Heym.


Obviously, it wasn’t good enough to use on this Parker Reproduction. Regardless of semantics.

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Originally Posted by Wild Skies
Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
I don’t pursue Parker reproductions. When I see them at a gun show, I don’t usually even pick them up. None of my friends that shoot own them.

I’ve seen three, and have a photo of one.

Take it for what it is.

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Perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying. I have seen three Parker Reproductions THAT FAILED, exactly like this, and I grabbed a photo of one when I had the chance. The point I was trying to make is I don’t have a dog in this fight, just a bit of evidence.

When they first came out, I looked a bit at them, but, that was before the steep discounts when they were discontinued. The single trigger versions had a horrible trigger, a buddy referred to it as “crunchy”, as good a description as I could come up with. That little experiment, on Parker Reproduction single triggers, went on for far, far, more than 3 guns.

The late Don Thompson had them stacked like cordwood, new in the box, on his tables at the end when he did local shows. I never got the bug, the concept of a reproduction seemed like a good idea, but, I had other interests.

The Prof has zero evidence, of anything related to a Parker Reproduction, but, runs his yap, anyway.


Take that for what it is, as well.


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I guess no one is going to answer my question about the post that stated that Repros ribs were brazed in place. Well, were they brazed or soldered?

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