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A question for the cognoscenti here: if I remember my history correctly, no choke boring until 1875 right (WW Greener was 1st on the British side of the pond)? This is a shame because many of the earlier hammer guns are superior for me in several areas (non-rebounding hammers, wedge forends, lighter weight, stunning engraving, etc.) when it comes to hunting with them.
Would it be possible to have a choke tube installed in one of these earlier double guns? I suppose I could make this inquiry to Briley directly but what would the downsides be here (other than committing an abomination of sorts on a classic firearm)?
I really only need one tube with choke.
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the immediate thought of it, just doesnt sound safe.
yet, winchester choked the model 59 fiberglass barrels back in the 60's.
but i have no straight answer to give you.
maybe some smiths will chime in.
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other than being an obamanation, it is really not necessary, if one considers jug choking as an alternative...
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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Call Dean Harris in Tahlequah, OK. You can trust what he says.
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I had a pre-tapered choke era damascus barreled gun that relied on a jug choke for the left barrel. Gil
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Call Dean Harris in Tahlequah, OK. You can trust what he says. Amen, Stan. My thoughts exactly. For whatever it may be worth, I have no reservation or compunctions about installing thinwall chokes in any classic American, English, or Continental double gun, no matter the grade, lineage, or worth. They are, for all practical purposes, invisible, and greatly increase the versatility of whatever they are installed in. A couple of caveats: no sense in doing them in a gun that is just fine as-is, and I would also not consider anyone doing them other than aforesaid Dean Harris at Skeet's Gunshop, Briley, or Teague. An additional thought: I cannot think of any reason a Damascus-barreled gun would not be a candidate vs fluid steel if it's being used regularly with modern loads as-is. JR
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Probably relevant to the discussion, and cutting threads for screw in tubes. https://parkerguns.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-43714.htmlVic Venters shared that David Dryhurst told him that cutting choke in crolle tubes was more difficult in that the metal would occasionally fracture. This may be why Briley only installs permanent tubes.
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Probably relevant to the discussion, and cutting threads for screw in tubes. https://parkerguns.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-43714.htmlVic Venters shared that David Dryhurst told him that cutting choke in crolle tubes was more difficult in that the metal would occasionally fracture. This may be why Briley only installs permanent tubes. That’s not true. Not too long ago (within the last couple of years), I refinished a set of Lefever Damascus barrels for a member here that Briley put thin walls into. I’ve refinished a couple of different sets of Damascus barrels since then that also had Briley thin walls installed.
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Thank you Dustin. Brian made that statement on the PGCA in 2020 and things may have changed.
I'm interested in confirming, and sent an email to Briley. I'll post the response.
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As Stan said Dean at Skeet's is good to go. Briley does make good bolt closers for 390s. Never will touch a set of my barrels again after they botched not one but two re-bluing attempts on two sets of Perazzi barrels for me.
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Gentlemen...thank you all.
So this may not be so far-fetched an idea as I originally thought? Very interesting option to consider as I will likely have more than one candidate for such a modification.
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Quick response from Briley
YES, WE CAN SCREW CHOKE DAMASCUS BARREL. BUT THE SHAPE OR THE BORES, CHAMBER AND THICKNESS OF BARRELS.
IT WILL BE UP TO THE GUNSMITH ONCE HE HAS BARREL IN HAND.
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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A lot of those `pre choke` barrelled guns can shoot better than many imagine !!! I`d try shooting more and thinking less before messing with them.Hth
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A lot of those `pre choke` barrelled guns can shoot better than many imagine !!! I`d try shooting more and thinking less before messing with them.Hth If I think about the choke in the barrel, I usually miss the bird. Best, Ted
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Well, from the other side of the camp, I like the option of some choke. I hunted with a 16 ga. CYL/CYL percussion double muzzleloader for some time, and still have it, shooting doves and quail. I ALWAYS wished I had some choke.
i experimented with loadings to attempt to extend my range, mostly unsuccessfully.
Out to 25 yards CYL is fine. Much more, and I want the density that some choke provides. I have always suspected that those who extol CYL as wonderful for gamebirds might need some shooting lessons for longer shots. JMMOMV.
Edited to add: The above statement is meant for larger bore guns like 12s. The smaller the bore and payload the more choke I want, to maintain density in the pattern.
Last edited by Stanton Hillis; 02/14/26 08:07 AM.
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some how hit don seem appropriate...
sorta like dim single triggers an ejector thingies...
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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