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Originally Posted by Marks_21
Here is a study VA DEPARTMENT OF GAME - from the most densely bear populated area of the state. Bears outdoing coyotes 5 to 1 on fawns. Allegedly bobcats out do coyotes as well.
I suspect this varies greatly per geographical areas.
https://dwr.virginia.gov/blog/the-v...f-whitetails-in-the-allegheny-mountains/

Interesting study, especially if you actually read it.

It appears to be a very small and limited study that based conclusions on only 28 fawn carcasses that were found and determined to be killed by predators. There was no video or game camera evidence. Predator DNA found on 14 fawn carcasses was taken as absolute evidence that the fawn was killed by that particular predator, even though all of the noted predators are known to scavenge and feed on carcasses of dead animals they did not actually kill. The study could be significant, or it could indicate the results came from a very small sample in a limited area that happened to have a greater than average bear population density, and lower than average coyote density. Coyotes may actually avoid an area with an abundance of black bears and bobcats.

As I said earlier, no study results I was able to find showed that an average adult black bear killed more than an average adult coyote. A couple studies said they each killed a very similar number of fawns annually, but unknown how this was determined. And as much as I hate to say it, we cannot discount the possibility that the researchers who conducted this non-peer reviewed study (which has not been replicated by other wildlife biologists), was not done by researchers with an agenda of supporting increased numbers of coyotes.

It's hard for me to just have blind faith in wildlife biologists after my own state vastly increased the number of antlerless deer permits. The vast majority of hunters complained about reduced deer numbers, some sportsmen attempted to sue the Game Commission, many Butcher shops reported large drops in deer processing, yet the biologists and Game Commission claimed the population was higher than ever, and needed to be cut further. The same Game Commission that turned ringneck pheasants into an endangered species, except for stocked birds.

One fact is certain. No matter where you go, the number of hunters who feel and actually see evidence that coyotes are detrimental to game animal populations far outweighs the number of hunters who are glad to see coyotes move into an area. The small minority who welcome coyotes pretty much consists of farmers who like seeing less crop damage from deer, Insurance companies who like seeing less deer/vehicle accident claims, and the guys who buy expensive coyote tracking dogs, and love to hunt them. Oh, and some "academic types" who are convinced that more carnivorous predators equals more fawns and game birds. I will continue to try to put a bullet into any coyote I see, pups included, like the last two I killed. So sorry I missed a third as it ran into high grass.


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Originally Posted by keith
Originally Posted by Geoff Roznak
Originally Posted by keith
Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
Or some of these. They do more damage to deer populations than wolves and probably more than coyotes in most areas where both are abundant.
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No question that black bears are efficient fawn and calf predators. I've seen research that says an adult black bear may kill as many fawns as an adult coyote in a given year, but none that claims they kill more.

However, the Nutty Professor conveniently left out the most important parts of the equation.

In virtually every state that has both black bears and coyotes, the population of coyotes vastly outnumbers the bears. Coyotes are prolific breeders, and their populations are rapidly increasing across their range, while black bear numbers are relatively stable and easily controlled by hunting. Both species will hunt and kill adult deer that are sick or injured, but coyotes often hunt in packs that can easily hamstring and kill even healthy adult deer.

A graphic example is Kansas, that has an estimated 300,000+ coyotes, and essentially no black bears. In Pennsylvania, hunters kill roughly 15 times as many coyotes as black bears, and the coyote population is still increasing. Do the math... or just take a wild-assed guess which species has the greater negative effect upon the deer population.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist, and any so-called University Professor who would neglect to mention those facts would be either ignorant, irresponsible, or deceptive to present such incomplete information.

Such an agenda driven person should never ever be certified to teach young people.

Another personal attack.

Shocker!

So Geoff, you'd rather see the Liberal Left Nutty Professor continuing to Post what amounts to bullshit and drastically (intentionally) incomplete information in order to falsely advance his pro-coyote agenda???

Shocker!

Oh, by the way... I note you've been reading old Posts, so it could hardly escape your astute observations that the same Nutty Professor has engaged in personal attacks against me and a number of others here for years. Yet you have not QUOTED him or attacked him for his multitude of personal attacks. And you won't either.

Another Shocker!

But I'm not at all shocked that I triggered you again. I didn't even have to troll or set the hook... you jumped right into the boat Geoff. What's the limit on Liberal Left Clownfish?

Didn’t read any of that, princess, but we have important questions:

Ate the bait again, eh?

Are you always this slow?

Are you always this easy?

Does this bullying BS usually work for you?

Which hand do you type with while you get off try to troll people?

Can you still get off when you get ridiculed for being a childish baby?

Do you go limp when your trolling doesn't work?

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Well looky here... the guy who says he can't be triggered is going off again... easier than a defective Sig P 320.

Not only that Geoff, but you've been reduced to revealing your preoccupation with self-gratification and other men's erections.

I sincerely hope your Medicare Advantage Plan covers the mental help you need.

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