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I appreciate all those that participated in getting my tariff thread locked. Thanks a lot. Seems we can't even have a civil discussion anymore. For those that can't discuss things civilly, please don't post on my threads.

Mike,

I agree with you. I do not understand the juvenile need to be rude to others, and to distract from the subject usefully under discussion. I follow the Double Gun Forum to learn more from a widespread, specialised community.

If I need controversy I can read the newspapers.

HB

Well Mike, im from Canada and it is too bad it got locked...I agree with Trump,nail everyone who wont play along its the only way these countries will trade fairly back and fourth ...the free world has been living off the US tit for too long ..you would not believe the amount of Canadians I talk to who think trumps tariffs are costing us extra money ...they're too stupid to realize the Canadian counter tarriffs is what costs them out of pocket at the grocery and everywhere else try explaining it and you get a blank stare ! Our liquor corporation on the island is owned and ran by the provincial government ,during the elbows up horse shit ,they took an estimated 8million dollars of US booze off the shelves...product that the province already paid to put on the shelves, profit that wouldn't now be realized...the idiots put it back on the shelves during Christmas for what I figured was they needed warehouse space for the holiday rush ..well it flew off the shelves ! They said the profit would go to charity ...id say crap in one hand and wish in the other and see which gets filled first .
Be proud you have a leader putting your country first , or be like us taxed and regulated to death!

CJ, I lived/was stationed in England and Scotland for 9 years. The U.S. servicemembers did not have to pay many/much of the taxes the UK citizens had to. It made a huge difference. I could not live where I was taxed to death.

There's a few attack dogs here that have to jump all over anyone and anything that they fear disagrees with them.

There's some sort of baseline insecurity that drives it - they have to put others down so they can feel like they're in control. It's called Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and those that have it are quick to ascribe and project it onto others because they think it camouflages what they are. There are examples here in the last few days.

Many of them have to inflict their politics on the rest of us so they can feel better about themselves.

It's well known who they are, and it's disappointing that nothing is ever done about it.

You are overthinking this, and you're wrong. This is a gun enthusiast forum, and whether you or anyone else likes it or not, politics have become permanently intertwined with it. This is primarily because one political party, the Democrats, has made it their goal to eliminate the reason for this forum. You don't think board members voicing their support for Democrats is going to raise some hackles? That kind of diversity is not strength. And some people are just very upfront in opposing it. If you want to support policies and politicians that undermine the interests and activities of gun owners, it would probably be best to just keep it to yourself.

And some people just don't like each other.

And your "disappointment" is awfully hypocritical. Weren't you the guy trolling people and bragging about it, happily throwing gasoline on a fire? But it's different when you do it right?

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This new Tariff's Thread, like the one that unfortunately got locked, is simply another Off-Topic Political Thread. No Double Guns were pictured or mentioned. Only complaints and some debate about the Tariffs.

I'm sorry the other Off-Topic Political Thread got locked, because for years there have been certain people who whine and cry that Political Threads and Posts will be the death of this Forum.

But please note that not one of them complained about this particular political topic, because it gave those with TDS another opportunity to criticize Trump. I keep asking folks to pay attention to the games that are played here, and that's why these petty hypocrites want to shut me up.

Mike, I asked you if the $1200.00 you paid was all Tariffs, or if it included the usual fees, shipping, and import costs. You chose to not answer. Nobody who complained about Trump's Tariffs mentioned that gun import fees are much higher than they once were, and that it was anti-gunners here and abroad who are responsible. If it was Trump who vastly increased those import costs, the usual TDS whiners would never stop crying about it.

When I buy a gun online on GunBroker, for example, I know with eyes wide open that my final cost will include shipping, sales tax, GunBroker fees on both buyer and seller, and FFL Transfer and Background check fees. Let's not forget that those FFL transfer fees are an additional cost imposed on nearly every gun buyer by anti-gun Democrats. I have to factor all of the fees and costs into the highest bid I am willing to make. Virtually everyone who chooses to buy a gun in the U.K. or any other country should also be aware of the added costs, including Tariffs. Nobody is holding the proverbial gun to anyone's head, and forcing them to buy from a country that has engaged in unfair trade practices with the U.S. for decades. Kudos to our Canadian neighbor C.J. Dawe for recognizing what many here can't.

Now you can all ask our newest personal attack dog Geoff why he is again triggered into starting more shit, so this Off-Topic Political discussion ends up getting locked too.

You were good all the way to here. I get that this is a gun enthusiast forum, and that political subjects will come up...and should be discussed.


Adults can discuss all of those things without resulting to name calling, insults and invective. That accomplishes nothing and changes no minds, ever. I'll leave it to you to think about who it benefits, and I Know you'll figure it out.

FWIW, I know bunches of Democrats who are staunch 2A supporters, and even more independents who are.


Trolling trolls - reflecting their behavior right back at them - isn't a bad thing. Particularly when the purpose is to call them out for acting like the churlish children they are.

There's no hypocrisy in that statement.

Wrong again, sweetie.

When you respond...and you did respond...it's you that's triggered.

Write that down.

Here we go again.

Mike, it really isn't hard to sort through the noise if you put your mind to it. As I said earlier, this is an Off-Topic Political Thread, and no matter where you go, anything political is going to generate some contentious discussion. It does't matter if it's on CNN, FOX News, ABC, The View, Social Media, the local tavern, or what used to be late night comedy talk shows. One Firearms forum I often visit has had a Trump Tariffs Thread running more or less continually since he imposed the very first Tariffs in March of last year. As of today, it is 133 pages long, and there is naturally a lot of disagreement and also numerous Posts that have little or nothing to do with Tariffs or guns. It was started by someone who was concerned about the initial losses in the Stock Market... which quickly recovered. There are definitely personality conflicts and people who don't like each other. Sometimes, I get the silly idea that there may be some people here who don't like me. But I soldier on anyway.

One Poster in this current Thread remarked that he comes here to get Double Gun knowledge, and said if he needs controversy, he can read the Newspapers. Yet he came buzzing here like a moth to a flame when it was quite evident from your Thread title that it had zero to do with Double Guns. Some folks just need to complain, and some complain about politics only when the conversation doesn't go their way. If anyone wants an echo chamber consisting only of people who agree with them, a Political Thread on a Firearms Forum is probably a bad place to look.

I feel I made some valid points about the Tariffs in both this and the now locked Thread. You may disagree. I also asked you some questions that you chose to not make any reply to. I get the feeling that you and I may not agree on Trump's Tariffs. We might even argue about them. But I'm quite sure almost no one is going to bleed or suffer a nervous breakdown over it. A self-described Independent Moderate with TDS who frequently bashes Trump, and feels Biden was better for Gun Owners is going to get called out, so naturally they/them will be a fan of censorship.

Being the personable Princess that you are Karen(or are you going by Katie now?), it seems highly unlikely. I myself enjoy your posts for the comic relief if nothing else.

Love your avatar and the constant cry for help. Poor dear, always the victim.

Bless your heart.

Fair trade?

Why would we allow a country impose a tariff on US goods but not US impose a tariff on foreign goods. He's only imposing a reciprocal tariff. Seems fair to me.

I don't mind that he's implemented the tariffs. Just mind how it's affecting my purchasing power. I know selfish of me.

For decades America imposed a tariff of 2.5% on autos from the EU, including the UK. While the EU and the UK imposed a tariff of 10% on US made vehicles. The impact of those tariffs can be seen in the percentage of US made cars sold in Europe vs what Europe sells in America. It's not even close. It has been a similar situation in the auto sector with countries in the Far East, led by Japan.

That sounds a lot to me like the US underwrote the European, British and Asian car industry......for decades!!! Seems pretty odd to me that people would be upset about a re-balancing of that disparity.

And it's not just the auto sector. This kind of disparity has existed between the US and the rest of the world on a massive amount of trade, from raw materials to finished goods. The US has been giving it away since WWII

Stepping back from the politics and rhetoric...it occurs to me that at some point it's a matter of scale.

Some countries, smaller ones, have a much smaller economy to protect, and an economy that can be much more impacted by outside impacts, while we in the US can absorb a lot more without much effect.

A decent analogy would be comparing Walmart to small local businesses. Should they be protected? What are the benefits to doing so, or to not doing so?

It's less black and white than a casual glance may indicate.

Your statement about WWII rings true: We did "give it away", but with a clear purpose: to try to help get the world economy back on track.

...the problem became, as it often does, that all those receiving the give-aways, became dependent on them and became angry and resentful at even the suggestion of taking them away.

Politicians in the US - almost all of them - were, and are, cowards, and were/are reluctant to give away the power that our position gave us, and continually kicked the can down the road.

...and here we are. Deficits in trade, spending...anger and division being used as distractions to keep people distracted so that those politicians can keep their jobs, on our backs, and on our dime.

In the interest of maintaining racial and political purity, the tariffs should tip the balance toward those little places that send us their lazy, non English speaking, resource sucking, indigent pre-terrorists, so that they have an economic incentive to stay home.

Wouldn’t we all starve if the farmers didn’t get their welfare?



“As of early 2026, Canada has reversed its 2024 policy by cutting tariffs on Chinese-made electric vehicles (EVs) from 100% to 6.1%, allowing up to 49,000 units annually (rising to 70,000 over five years). This strategic pivot aims to lower consumer costs and boost investment, differing significantly from the stricter U.S. approach.


Key Details on the 2026 Shift
Tariff Reduction: In January 2026, the Canadian government reduced the 100% tariff on Chinese-made EVs to 6.1%, matching a "most-favored-nation" rate.”

Did Carney consult Unifor before implementing this?


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Ted must be at work.

Short answer: No.

Longer answer: most of that "welfare" doesn't wind up in the hands of farmers anyway.

Really curious to see what percentage of Chinese EVs at 6.1% tariffs are actually on the road during the Canadian winter. The U has a fleet of EVs, with which, to virtue signal during the warmer months, coincidentally, when most of the kids aren’t there.

Best,
Ted

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In the winter months, the EVs go to a warehouse on campus, where they sit around eating money.

You think this is some kind of "gotcha" moment with me. Nice try moron.

Canadians are idiots. Our government are idiots. Canadians are traitors to that which made them wealthy. I live in a failed state. I know far more about this than you ever should. Chirping from the sidelines as a know nothing with a big mouth isn't a good look, LR. Probably too late for you to change. Now, as Ted suggested, I'll let you continue to act the fool at least until Easter.

Canvasback why are you resorting to calling people names? This is what gets threads locked. If you can't behave don't post on my threads.

[quote=Geoff Roznak][quote=Tim in PA][quote=Geoff Roznak]There's a few at project it onto others because they think it camouflages what they are. There are examples here in the last few day




FWIW, I know bunches of Democrats who are staunch 2A supporters, and even more independents who are.

Name One ??????????

Dirty Harry

Linda, Larry, Steve, Jeff, Mike, Dave, Mike, Joe, Jim, and Mike.

It is a good thing, that you are versed in hypocrisy. I know those same democrats and independents, and they vote anti 2A.

How cute, you think that your opinion of how another American votes matters.

Prove it.

I'm a staunch supporter of you.

Thanks, but that's not something I need or want.

FWIW, I know bunches of Democrats who are staunch 2A supporters, and even more independents who are.



The independents I get, but how do Democrats staunchly support the Second Amendment? When the representative they elected votes in favor of gun control legislation, do they file petitions to have that representative recalled? When the ATF enacts restrictive new rules on firearms, or an anti-gun leftist is nominated to the Supreme Court, do they call for the presidents impeachment? Do they vote for Trump, because they know Harris and Clinton have no respect for the second amendment? I'm missing something here.

In the end, the only thing that matters, is who you send to Washington or your state capitol, everything else is blowing smoke. You can beat your chest and shout your support through a megaphone, but you're only fooling yourself and other like-minded Democrats. You might as well be marching in a parade led by a bunch of Muslim malcontents, carrying a banner proclaiming "Jews for Palestine" or "gays for Palestine". I suspect that you(?) and all the other 2A Democrats will continue on in this charade, as long as enough Republicans keep getting sent to Washington to insulate you from the consequences of your poor decisions.

Tim, there is an inconsistency there that they are not seeing, or admitting. IMO, some people have voted Democratic for so long that it's like they are stuck in a rut that they are unwilling to remove themselves from. They are so used to defending the Democratic platforms, they can't imagine doing anything else.

The Democratic party is not what it was in our grandparents' day. It has devolved to the extent that it is unrecognizable to some of us, but yet some remain staunchly loyal to it. I liken it to a mother who continues to love AND SUPPORT her child who has gone "AWOL" and now lives in a way totally alien to how it was raised.

But, loving what used to be is a terrible excuse for owning up to the reality that your child has gone bad, and it needs to be accepted as the bad seed it has become. The Democratic party has devolved into a bad seed. What it's "parents" have done is make excuses for it, to the point that it is now ridiculous to the sane.

Patriots can only hope and pray that, given enough rope, it will hang itself.

I am not a Democrat.

...as for how 2A Democrats and independents support 2A...neither you, nor I get to decide what they are doing is wrong if it doesn't align with what we are doing and/or believe.

No one is just one thing, and almost nothing is binary, despite attempts by politicians, media and others to describe it thus.

Lots of truth there.

I don't know if anyone comments, because they think they are deciding about anything, but there is a partial component to some of our freedoms. All that matters is the track record and results of those who get voted it to policy making positions, and it is easy to see wrong.

It is always the same, so and so is a staunch 2A supporter. Why, because they are one of the good ones at the banquet, where we are all in for a common cause. Change banquet to diner, pickup tailgate, fishing boat, it does not matter.

Sweetie pie, let's reset that thought. When have I ever thought my opinion needs to align with any other. My opinion matters to me.

I know what you like and don't like, why should it matter to me, other than to widen the divide. You never have workable solutions, but I do know who you dislike.

You certainly are missing something Tim, maybe more than one thing. I staunchly support the 2A, but it is the whole constitution that I really cherish, picking an choosing which parts of the constitution to support just doesn't sound that patriotic to me. I believe in checks and balances, holding accountable those that try to illegally influence our elections, and having an executive that understands and respects the limit of his position in our government.

The idea that your opinion of how another American votes matters is contradictory to very premise of the founding of our Republic, you get your vote but so do the Jews for Palestine folks.

The charade is that somehow your opinion is the only one that matters and that other viewpoints are inherently wrong. Maybe a brush up civics class would help you to understand how a representative democracy works, you certainly appear deeply confused.

Oh Sunshine(Craig), so good of you to clear that up for us.

Here I had thought your years of pontification were an attempt to convince others of your way of thought. I had no idea that you were just talking to yourself out loud

Tell me Sunshine, who do you love?

Big hug time?

At the Federal level there are some pro-gun Democrats, mostly in some of the Southern states and along the border with Canada. Former Montana Senator Jon Tester (D) was pro gun.

At the state level there are Democrats that are pro gun. Connecticut has some, enough to prevent some of the more drastic bills from being passed.

There are people out there, Democrat, Republican and Independent who are nominally pro gun, but that's not their priority during an election. There are also those out there willing to accept restrictions on fire arms, they don't own, will never own and don't like.

And arguing on an internet forum isn't going to change anyone's mind.

If you don't agree with them, ignore or hide them and don't do business with them.

Yup.

To the point about arguing on the internet: That's why it's so funny/pointless to see the same people yelling past each other all the time.

It doesn’t have to be an internet argument to simply fact check. This Senator voted approximately 95% party line. There might be a far bigger America beyond 2A issues. But, there is a hypocrisy, apathy that is part of the wider community. Good thing this isn’t an EV or mental health forum.

It's certainly not the latter. 🤣

I saw this statement when it was first posted on pg.1 of this Thread. The only possible way it could be true if if these "bunches of Democrats, and even more Independents" did not vote or support politicians who have an anti-2nd Amendment voting record. If any of them voted for or supported Biden, Obama, the Clintons, Al Gore, and legions of other politicians, mostly Democrat, with undeniable anti-gun records, then there is no way they are staunch 2A supporters. (Note: I never voted for my Republican Senator Pat Toomey after he sided with Obama on Gun Control... we have free will.)

I resisted the urge to immediately comment, and decided to wait a bit to see what others had to say. I was sure there would be others who also saw the ridiculousness of it. I was also sure the usual suspects would applaud it.

The thought that anyone who merely owns or shoots guns is a "staunch 2A supporter" is a false and dishonest notion advanced by those who support the insane "Big Tent" theory that says gun owners as a whole are stronger if we all stick together. Unfortunately, voting for those who continually infringe upon Gun Rights is not sticking together. That is undermining and back-stabbing those who actually are working and voting to maintain and secure our 2nd Amendment Rights. The only reason they continue to enjoy Gun Rights is because of the votes and efforts of those who do understand that supporting anti-gunners is counterproductive. And stupid.

Let me try to simplify this so that even a mentally retarded person might understand...

Nobody in their right mind would say that someone who donates to or supports a politician who favors late term abortion is a staunch pro-life supporter.

Nobody in their right mind would say that a Pentagon employee who gives classified military secrets to the Chinese is a staunch U.S. patriot.

Nobody in their right mind would say a Cop who breaks into a house and takes personal property without a Warrant is a staunch 4th Amendment Supporter.

Nobody in their right mind would say that a dictator who shuts down Free Speech, Newspapers, and Religion is a staunch supporter of 1st Amendment principles.

92 years have passed since the National Firearms Act of 1934. For 92 years, there has been a sustained effort by mostly one Party to infringe upon or eliminate Gun Rights. The only possible excuse for any gun owner with even a room temperature I.Q. to say this ain't so is if they have their heads up their ass. As the late Charlie Kirk would say, "Prove me wrong."

Yet here you are Geoff.

Eleven triggered Posts on just this one Thread. Eleven and counting. The most prolific voice by far, yelling about something that has zero to do with the subject of the Thread.

But I keep forgetting that only certain "special" people have the right to voice an opinion. Funny how that works.

FedEx is suing the Federal government for $1 billion to recover costs of tariffs.

The first of many?

Stan, your Post makes a strong case for Poll Testing. Any U.S. citizen over age 18 has the RIGHT to vote. They can vote however they wish, even write-in Mickey Mouse on their ballot. But it's utterly ignorant and irresponsible to vote for any candidate without knowing their positions and past voting record.

Sadly, many people including many gun owners, simply vote Straight Ticket Democrat in spite of how far left the Party has gone. Others, including several here, know exactly what the Democrat Party now stands for, and still support it. We can only conclude they place greater importance on things like gay and transgender rights, continuation of unfair Trade Policies, men in women's sports, higher taxes, elimination of fossil fuels, unfettered illegal immigration, Open Borders, Trillions of dollars of waste-fraud- and abuse, a massive Welfare State, a catch-and-release legal system (except for political enemies), etc.

It took my staunch Democrat parents a while to finally see this was not the same Democrat Party they once supported. But at least they had the brains to walk away when it no longer represented their interests. As a gun owner, my Dad was first to see there were no longer representing him or our founding principles, and also constantly attacking his Constitutional Gun Rights, but my mother soon followed. So it is just another big fat lie to say nobody ever changes their mind. See the successes of the WalkAway Movement, DemExit, TurningPointUSA, and other organized efforts that are successfully showing millions of blacks, latinos, christians, women, etc. that the Democrats are hurting them and our nation.

Unfortunately, the "bad seed" Democrat Party will continue to have substantial support and a lot of clout so long as they have a large voter base dependent upon Welfare benefits. They are beginning to see they alienated a significant part of the electorate, so they are pretending to modify their positions to get back in power. What we can do about it is to strongly push our elected Reps to enact strong Voter I.D. Laws, restrict most all mail-in-voting and unattended ballot drop boxes, and enhance security of voting machines and ballot counting. Democrat opposition to election security shows they need cheating to win.

And as gun owners, we should stop accepting the silly idea that fellow gun owners who support anti-gunners are "staunch 2nd Amendment supporters". They aren't.

It will be interesting, the Feds did illegally tax me for many thousands of dollars, I sure would like my money back. My clients feel the same way.

Well, that is a wonderfully progressive/liberal thing to say. "Everything is just points on a spectrum" "Speak your truth" "Break the binary" But actually, there is a lot of binary out there, and it all breaks down into right or wrong. Despite attempts by intellectuals and their weak-minded followers who want to see this country turned upside down.

And, we do get to decide what's wrong, it's called results. Take for example, the senator your pro-gun democrat buddies sent to Washington, Tammy Baldwin. Do you know what her voting record on the Second Amendment is? I'll give you a hint, it's not good, at all. If your idea of defending the Second Amendment is sending a gun hating Senator to Washington, you're wrong, it's really just that simple.

But you still haven't answered my question. How do you staunchly defend the Second Amendment when you send staunchly anti-gun congressmen and Senators to Washington? How do you see it as a win, when the people you elect are actively trying to legislate the Second Amendment out of existence? I'm trying to understand this, explain it, if you will.

Tim

Shame it seems to be so hard for to understand Tim.

I'm just hoping I don't get charged tariff on my next shipment. A refund on the last one would be great to.

Nobody here has broached the topic of tax cuts for ALL Americans that have been a direct result of the massive amounts of income that America has already received from the increased revenues from tariffs. I recently met with my tax preparer who confirmed this. She used to work for the IRS, so she knows what she's talking about.

This year my income went down, overall business was down and taxes were way up due to tariffs.

Nothing good at all for me in the changes that Trump has brought to the economy and the tax structure.

I do have some extremely wealthy friends who could not be happier with the changes to the tax code though.

In order:

No, it's not.
I didn't say any of those things.
There's very little binary.
I'm uninterested in "intellectuals and their weak-minded followers."

Nope.
My "...pro-gun democrat buddies..." didn't send Tammy Baldwin to Washington.
I'm well aware of Baldwin's record on 2A.
Why would you suggest I'd vote for Baldwin.
The people who vote for Balwin for other reasons - even if I disagree with them - are not wrong.

Of course I did.
I've never sent "...staunchly anti-gun congressmen and Senators to Washington."
Where did I say it was a win?
It's not my job to explain it to you, and honestly, I feel like it'd be a wasted effort if I tried. The great thing about our country is that it's full of people with different opinions, and we we all get to act on them to the best of our abilities. It's messy, but it tends to work.

Princess SKB, it is beyond hilarious to see you say you staunchly support the 2nd Amendment. And your excuse for consistently supporting anti-gun Democrats and bashing pro-gun Republicans is dishonest at best.

You conveniently seem to forget or ignore when your Liberal Left Democrats egregiously violate the Constitution.

You did not criticize the Obama admin over Operation Fast and Furious when they compelled FFL's to violate their own Gun Control Act of 1968 by having them sell semi-auto rifles and handguns to Mexican Drug Cartel criminals in the hope that when those firearms were used in violent crimes and murders, they could more easily push for more gun bans and Universal Background Checks. There's a 2A infringement you didn't complain about.

We never heard a peep from you when Obama killed U.S. citizens in drone strikes, without them getting their Constitutional due process and presumption of innocence. He gave them the death penalty without any arrest, representation, or a trial. A clear 14th Amendment violation.

Bill Clinton started the process of forcing thousands of FFL's to surrender their licenses, and that was continued under other Democrat presidents, often using arbitrary rules such as the amount of business they did, or minor inadvertent mistakes in their record keeping. Commerce clause and the 10th Amendment violations.

Obama also initiated the use of false information from Hillary's phony dossier to allow the FBI to illegally obtain a FISA Warrant to allow wiretapping and spying of Donald Trump and others to help Hillary's election campaign. So much for your big phony concern over election interference... and the 4th Amendment.

We now know there was no legal basis for the FBI raid and search of Mara Largo, and that documents were falsely altered and displayed to the Liberal Press. It was an illegal search and seizure and 4th Amendment violation.

During the Covid pandemic, we saw your Democrats banning Religious services protected by the 1st Amendment, all while permitting mass gatherings for riots and George Floyd's multiple funeral services. Many others were not allowed to have proper funerals for their loved ones who died. Businesses were forced to close, costing way more than Tariffs, and markets crashed.

During that time, we also saw widespread censorship. Trump and many others were banned from various Social Media platforms, and we now know from Mark Zuckerberg and others that they were compelled to do this by the Biden admin. Many Doctors and researchers who disagreed with the official government line of the vaccine, the origins of Covid19, etc. were also censored. So there's a lot more 1st Amendment violations you were not concerned about.

And let's not forget that thousands of people lost their jobs for refusing the vaccine, including members of the U.S. Military.

You saw no obstruction of justice when Biden facilitated an invasion of our country by unvetted Illegals... something that cost U.S. citizens far more than the Tariffs.

You yourself admitted to standing by like a sheep and saying or doing nothing as BATF Agents illegally removed records from your shop contained in your FFL bound ledger books by photographing them. You never voiced any concern over Democrats efforts to ban semi-auto rifles, large cap magazines, etc., and even said you would not care if they all went away. So much for being a "staunch 2A defender".

I could go on and on with examples to show that your lame ass excuse for supporting anti-gun and anti-2nd Amendment politicians is bullshit. Your big concern over Trumps Tariffs is self serving because it supposedly affects your bottom line. Are you telling us you have assumed all of those costs, and have not passed them on to your customers? What other things has Trump done that supposedly cost you more than all other Presidents combined? It appears the greatest drag on your business is the many hours you spend here whining instead of working.

Almost all Presidents test the limits of Constitutional authority, which is why the Framers created the Supreme Court to adjudicate and interpret just what each Amendment says. Sometimes, even the Supreme Court gets it wrong, as they did with Roe vs. Wade, where there never was any Constitutional Right to abortion. Trump used his Emergency Powers to impose Tariffs because he saw a slow motion erosion of our industrial base, massive job losses, suppression of U.S. workers wages, destruction of property values, crumbling infrastructure, and a multi-trillion dollar deficit making our nation weaker and vulnerable to inevitable economic collapse. He saw a country that was relying upon its enemies to produce military supplies, machinery, automobiles, vaccines, antibiotics, food, etc., and he did something about it.

And he didn't simply collect billions in Tariffs, and then take daily naps like Biden. He and his Trade Negotiators quickly used that hammer to get better trade deals and settle some global conflicts without endangering U.S, Troops. So he won, even if he lost a Supreme Court decision. You will no doubt cry about his work-around... but you didn't complain about anti-gun Democrats doing end runs around the Heller, McDonald, and other recent 2A Supreme Court decisions.

Staunch 2A defender... what a load of crap.

Appeals court rejects Trump admin attempts to delay tariff refunds:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/federal-appeals-court-rejects-trump-tariff-refund-delay-supreme-court/

My clients and I hope to see refunds from these illegal taxes sooner rather than later.

SCOTUS got this one right.

Cool.

Our system may be slow at times, but it generally works.

Another tariff loss for the administration today:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...9d7cf599d9d46f5b1ee8d6ee0dde68e&ei=8

Fox news on the manufacturing jobs lost due to tariffs:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opin...a5615986643fb8d51d76178e1b2b5&ei=268

Damn liberals anyway

Princess Stevie, aren't you one of the Libtards who has complained in the past about off-topic Political Posts here?

Of course, I guess your Trump Derangement Syndrome overrides all that.

I reluctantly clicked on your link, praying it wouldn't take me to one of your LGBTQ Pride Month Gender Bender websites. No surprise you used the very Liberal biased MSN as a news source. The author opined that the Trump Tariffs caused widespread increased unemployment across a broad sector. But nowhere did it say how they came to that conclusion, nor did they provide any verifiable facts or figures. Some anti-Trump lunatic says it, and you drool all over yourself and lap it up

The fact is, Trump's Tariffs have had virtually no effect on U.S. manufacturing unemployment.

To listen to you, one might think we are in an unemployment crisis as bad as the Great Depression. Actually, the current Unemployment rate is about 4.3%, which is a mere .1 percent more than the 4.2% rate when Biden left office. And of course, Trump did eliminate over 300,000 useless and non-productive Federal jobs, which could certainly factor into that tiny 1/10 of a percent increase.

And isn't it funny how you never once mentioned Unemployment when it was much higher under your anti-gun Democrats. The AVERAGE for all 8 years of the Obama administration was much higher at 7.41%, and Obama told us that chronic high unemployment might be the new normal. You never ever mentioned that once, and you can't stop crying about Trump now. What a complete phony you are.

I can't stop you from being an ass, and showing us that you are a Trump Deranged Closet Democrat who now openly supports anti-gun Democrat politicians. In fact, I kind of like how you show everyone what you tried to hide for so long. Keep up the dumb work Princess!

Our government says that over 100K manufacturing jobs have been lost since the Criminal in Chief took over.

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/i...manufacturing-industry-lost-108-000-jobs

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/t...oom-but-factory-jobs-continue-to-decline

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/manufacturing-jobs-whirlpool-layoffs-iowa-trump-tariffs/

Tariffs always have been and remain today poor policy, poor policy which I refuse to support.

Pro-trade, pro-business traditional conservative positions I am happy to support, team MAGA not so much.

I'll be happy to vote for the candidates most likely to put an end to this madness though

I never really could warm up to the criminal element.

Nice trolling. I hope you like the results.

Princess Stevie, it seems apparent that both you and your new boyfriend TransGomer Joff didn't even bother to read the articles you provided links to. Or perhaps you both are simply too agenda driven, or too dumb to understand the information you are Trolling in your latest Trump Derangement Syndrome episode.

Let's take a closer look at the pablum you are trying to feed us. Your first link is from www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/democrats. So it is a biased report from Senate DEMOCRATS... the same DEMOCRATS that repeatedly gave us erroneous, no, false figures for Unemployment and the GDP that painted a rosy picture during the Biden years. But then they would be forced to revise those figures to reflect the actual lower performance. Here's just one such revision from a quick Google Search, that was roughly eight times worse than the Trump results you are crying about:

The 2024 Benchmark Revision: A major BLS update showed that the economy added 818,000 fewer jobs than originally reported for the 12-month period ending March 2024. This was one of the largest downward benchmark revisions on record, largely impacting the private sector across professional/business services, manufacturing, and retail.

Yes, those same DEMOCRATS that gave us the Russia-Russia-Russia Hoax based on a phony dossier paid for by Hillary and advanced by Obama.... The same DEMOCRATS that quickly destroyed all of the evidence presented in the fake Jan. 6th hearings... The same DEMOCRATS that staged and tampered with evidence during the Mara Largo document raid. Why would anyone trust them???

This Senate DEMOCRAT report states that 108,000 jobs were lost during Trump's first year, and partially blames Trump Tariffs. But it neglects to report the MILLIONS of manufacturing jobs that were lost over decades of Foreign Trade policies that put American workers at a huge disadvantage.... that "Giant sucking sound" that Ross Perot correctly predicted after NAFTA, GATT, and other foolish deals that caused massive unemployment. It also neglects to mention the deals Trump made, up to $445 Billion, to bring manufacturing jobs back to the U.S. Those deals will of course take time to bear fruit as investments are made and new plants are being built. Trump was in the process of securing many more commitments, and DEMOCRATS filed lawsuits to stop him.

Your second link is from the reliably Liberal Left anti-Trump biased PBS. It tells a sad story about one small Sousaphone manufacturing company near Cleveland, Ohio. Some of the employees being interviewed have doubts about the speed and size of foreign investments being made here, but doesn't acknowledge that before Trump, far less was being done to stop the bleeding of American jobs. The most important fact we can glean from this DEMOCRAT biased PBS story is that this Sousaphone plant had already been moving jobs to China in recent years... before Trump was re-elected. And one of the guys, Scott Paul, is optimistic that over time, we will see manufacturing job growth come out of both the massive amount of construction that's going on right now, and the trade deficit coming down a little bit. Trump has been trying, which is more than we can say for any other President since total fools on both sides negotiated away our manufacturing base.

Your third link was the best, and shows us that you are too stupid to even understand what you Posted. First off, it says the manufacturing job loss is 83,000, which is significantly less than the 108,000 reported by Senate DEMOCRATS. It makes one wonder who or what to believe from these anti-Trump Liberal sources. Then it goes on to say that Economists blame those job losses on "a range of factors for the job losses, including automation, long-standing headwinds from lower wages overseas to increased costs and economic uncertainty partially caused by the Trump administration's tariffs.

So it isn't just the Tariffs you keep crying about Princess Stevie. It is also due to Automation and the same decades old problem of U.S. workers competing with lower overseas wages and costs. We all know about low foreign labor costs being a job killer. Automation has made us more productive, but also reduced employment. Now we are losing jobs due to A.I., which you will no doubt blame Trump for. But we also lost many jobs due to DEMOCRATS imposing costly regulations and high taxes on U.S. companies... another thing that Trump has addressed.

Then it goes on to say that The U.S. has lost 4.5 million manufacturing jobs since 2000. By comparison, overall global manufacturing employment over that period has increased by about 71 million workers, with most of that growth in China, India and Vietnam, according to a 2025 research brief from the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland.

Isn't it odd Princess Stevie that you are in a total tizzy about an alleged job loss of somewhere between 83,000 and 108,000... if we can believe lying DEMOCRATS... but you never once said a word about 4.5 MILLION jobs lost due to bad foreign trade deals? And that is just since 2000. The offshoring and trade related job losses started well before that. Black Friday for the U.S. Steel Industry was in 1978.

Under Obama the U.S. economy lost an average of 712,000 jobs PER MONTH between Nov. 2008 and March 2009... but not a word from you. With Trump, it's nothing but crying from you about how bad MAGA is.

You'll never get over your Trump Derangement Syndrome Princess Stevie. And you needed an excuse to continue voting for anti-gun DEMOCRATS anyway. I'm happy to give Trump some time to make things happen, after decades of exporting jobs and incurring massive Trade Deficits. The expectation that Trump or anyone could fix it immediately is simply retarded. It would be even better if DEMOCRATS were not doing everything they can to damage Trump and maintain the status quo of turning the U.S. into a Welfare State and Fraud-ridden Socialist shit-hole.

This is what I voted for... and since it is making you cry so much, and finally come out of your DEMOCRAT closet, I am even more happy.