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Here we go again.

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Originally Posted by Mike Harrell
Here we go again.

Mike, it really isn't hard to sort through the noise if you put your mind to it. As I said earlier, this is an Off-Topic Political Thread, and no matter where you go, anything political is going to generate some contentious discussion. It does't matter if it's on CNN, FOX News, ABC, The View, Social Media, the local tavern, or what used to be late night comedy talk shows. One Firearms forum I often visit has had a Trump Tariffs Thread running more or less continually since he imposed the very first Tariffs in March of last year. As of today, it is 133 pages long, and there is naturally a lot of disagreement and also numerous Posts that have little or nothing to do with Tariffs or guns. It was started by someone who was concerned about the initial losses in the Stock Market... which quickly recovered. There are definitely personality conflicts and people who don't like each other. Sometimes, I get the silly idea that there may be some people here who don't like me. But I soldier on anyway.

One Poster in this current Thread remarked that he comes here to get Double Gun knowledge, and said if he needs controversy, he can read the Newspapers. Yet he came buzzing here like a moth to a flame when it was quite evident from your Thread title that it had zero to do with Double Guns. Some folks just need to complain, and some complain about politics only when the conversation doesn't go their way. If anyone wants an echo chamber consisting only of people who agree with them, a Political Thread on a Firearms Forum is probably a bad place to look.

I feel I made some valid points about the Tariffs in both this and the now locked Thread. You may disagree. I also asked you some questions that you chose to not make any reply to. I get the feeling that you and I may not agree on Trump's Tariffs. We might even argue about them. But I'm quite sure almost no one is going to bleed or suffer a nervous breakdown over it. A self-described Independent Moderate with TDS who frequently bashes Trump, and feels Biden was better for Gun Owners is going to get called out, so naturally they/them will be a fan of censorship.


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Originally Posted by keith
Sometimes, I get the silly idea that there may be some people here who don't like me.

Being the personable Princess that you are Karen(or are you going by Katie now?), it seems highly unlikely. I myself enjoy your posts for the comic relief if nothing else.

Love your avatar and the constant cry for help. Poor dear, always the victim.

Bless your heart.


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Fair trade?

Why would we allow a country impose a tariff on US goods but not US impose a tariff on foreign goods. He's only imposing a reciprocal tariff. Seems fair to me.

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I don't mind that he's implemented the tariffs. Just mind how it's affecting my purchasing power. I know selfish of me.

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For decades America imposed a tariff of 2.5% on autos from the EU, including the UK. While the EU and the UK imposed a tariff of 10% on US made vehicles. The impact of those tariffs can be seen in the percentage of US made cars sold in Europe vs what Europe sells in America. It's not even close. It has been a similar situation in the auto sector with countries in the Far East, led by Japan.

That sounds a lot to me like the US underwrote the European, British and Asian car industry......for decades!!! Seems pretty odd to me that people would be upset about a re-balancing of that disparity.

And it's not just the auto sector. This kind of disparity has existed between the US and the rest of the world on a massive amount of trade, from raw materials to finished goods. The US has been giving it away since WWII


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Originally Posted by battle
Fair trade?

Why would we allow a country impose a tariff on US goods but not US impose a tariff on foreign goods. He's only imposing a reciprocal tariff. Seems fair to me.

Stepping back from the politics and rhetoric...it occurs to me that at some point it's a matter of scale.

Some countries, smaller ones, have a much smaller economy to protect, and an economy that can be much more impacted by outside impacts, while we in the US can absorb a lot more without much effect.

A decent analogy would be comparing Walmart to small local businesses. Should they be protected? What are the benefits to doing so, or to not doing so?

It's less black and white than a casual glance may indicate.

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Originally Posted by canvasback
For decades America imposed a tariff of 2.5% on autos from the EU, including the UK. While the EU and the UK imposed a tariff of 10% on US made vehicles. The impact of those tariffs can be seen in the percentage of US made cars sold in Europe vs what Europe sells in America. It's not even close. It has been a similar situation in the auto sector with countries in the Far East, led by Japan.

That sounds a lot to me like the US underwrote the European, British and Asian car industry......for decades!!! Seems pretty odd to me that people would be upset about a re-balancing of that disparity.

And it's not just the auto sector. This kind of disparity has existed between the US and the rest of the world on a massive amount of trade, from raw materials to finished goods. The US has been giving it away since WWII

Your statement about WWII rings true: We did "give it away", but with a clear purpose: to try to help get the world economy back on track.

...the problem became, as it often does, that all those receiving the give-aways, became dependent on them and became angry and resentful at even the suggestion of taking them away.

Politicians in the US - almost all of them - were, and are, cowards, and were/are reluctant to give away the power that our position gave us, and continually kicked the can down the road.

...and here we are. Deficits in trade, spending...anger and division being used as distractions to keep people distracted so that those politicians can keep their jobs, on our backs, and on our dime.

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In the interest of maintaining racial and political purity, the tariffs should tip the balance toward those little places that send us their lazy, non English speaking, resource sucking, indigent pre-terrorists, so that they have an economic incentive to stay home.


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Originally Posted by Geoff Roznak
...the problem became, as it often does, that all those receiving the give-aways, became dependent on them and became angry and resentful at even the suggestion of taking them away.

Wouldn’t we all starve if the farmers didn’t get their welfare?


Originally Posted by canvasback
For decades America imposed a tariff of 2.5% on autos from the EU, including the UK. While the EU and the UK imposed a tariff of 10% on US made vehicles. The impact of those tariffs can be seen in the percentage of US made cars sold in Europe vs what Europe sells in America. It's not even close. It has been a similar situation in the auto sector with countries in the Far East, led by Japan.

“As of early 2026, Canada has reversed its 2024 policy by cutting tariffs on Chinese-made electric vehicles (EVs) from 100% to 6.1%, allowing up to 49,000 units annually (rising to 70,000 over five years). This strategic pivot aims to lower consumer costs and boost investment, differing significantly from the stricter U.S. approach.


Key Details on the 2026 Shift
Tariff Reduction: In January 2026, the Canadian government reduced the 100% tariff on Chinese-made EVs to 6.1%, matching a "most-favored-nation" rate.”

Did Carney consult Unifor before implementing this?


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