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Yup.

To the point about arguing on the internet: That's why it's so funny/pointless to see the same people yelling past each other all the time.

It doesn’t have to be an internet argument to simply fact check. This Senator voted approximately 95% party line. There might be a far bigger America beyond 2A issues. But, there is a hypocrisy, apathy that is part of the wider community. Good thing this isn’t an EV or mental health forum.

It's certainly not the latter. 🤣

I saw this statement when it was first posted on pg.1 of this Thread. The only possible way it could be true if if these "bunches of Democrats, and even more Independents" did not vote or support politicians who have an anti-2nd Amendment voting record. If any of them voted for or supported Biden, Obama, the Clintons, Al Gore, and legions of other politicians, mostly Democrat, with undeniable anti-gun records, then there is no way they are staunch 2A supporters. (Note: I never voted for my Republican Senator Pat Toomey after he sided with Obama on Gun Control... we have free will.)

I resisted the urge to immediately comment, and decided to wait a bit to see what others had to say. I was sure there would be others who also saw the ridiculousness of it. I was also sure the usual suspects would applaud it.

The thought that anyone who merely owns or shoots guns is a "staunch 2A supporter" is a false and dishonest notion advanced by those who support the insane "Big Tent" theory that says gun owners as a whole are stronger if we all stick together. Unfortunately, voting for those who continually infringe upon Gun Rights is not sticking together. That is undermining and back-stabbing those who actually are working and voting to maintain and secure our 2nd Amendment Rights. The only reason they continue to enjoy Gun Rights is because of the votes and efforts of those who do understand that supporting anti-gunners is counterproductive. And stupid.

Let me try to simplify this so that even a mentally retarded person might understand...

Nobody in their right mind would say that someone who donates to or supports a politician who favors late term abortion is a staunch pro-life supporter.

Nobody in their right mind would say that a Pentagon employee who gives classified military secrets to the Chinese is a staunch U.S. patriot.

Nobody in their right mind would say a Cop who breaks into a house and takes personal property without a Warrant is a staunch 4th Amendment Supporter.

Nobody in their right mind would say that a dictator who shuts down Free Speech, Newspapers, and Religion is a staunch supporter of 1st Amendment principles.

92 years have passed since the National Firearms Act of 1934. For 92 years, there has been a sustained effort by mostly one Party to infringe upon or eliminate Gun Rights. The only possible excuse for any gun owner with even a room temperature I.Q. to say this ain't so is if they have their heads up their ass. As the late Charlie Kirk would say, "Prove me wrong."

Yet here you are Geoff.

Eleven triggered Posts on just this one Thread. Eleven and counting. The most prolific voice by far, yelling about something that has zero to do with the subject of the Thread.

But I keep forgetting that only certain "special" people have the right to voice an opinion. Funny how that works.

FedEx is suing the Federal government for $1 billion to recover costs of tariffs.

The first of many?

Stan, your Post makes a strong case for Poll Testing. Any U.S. citizen over age 18 has the RIGHT to vote. They can vote however they wish, even write-in Mickey Mouse on their ballot. But it's utterly ignorant and irresponsible to vote for any candidate without knowing their positions and past voting record.

Sadly, many people including many gun owners, simply vote Straight Ticket Democrat in spite of how far left the Party has gone. Others, including several here, know exactly what the Democrat Party now stands for, and still support it. We can only conclude they place greater importance on things like gay and transgender rights, continuation of unfair Trade Policies, men in women's sports, higher taxes, elimination of fossil fuels, unfettered illegal immigration, Open Borders, Trillions of dollars of waste-fraud- and abuse, a massive Welfare State, a catch-and-release legal system (except for political enemies), etc.

It took my staunch Democrat parents a while to finally see this was not the same Democrat Party they once supported. But at least they had the brains to walk away when it no longer represented their interests. As a gun owner, my Dad was first to see there were no longer representing him or our founding principles, and also constantly attacking his Constitutional Gun Rights, but my mother soon followed. So it is just another big fat lie to say nobody ever changes their mind. See the successes of the WalkAway Movement, DemExit, TurningPointUSA, and other organized efforts that are successfully showing millions of blacks, latinos, christians, women, etc. that the Democrats are hurting them and our nation.

Unfortunately, the "bad seed" Democrat Party will continue to have substantial support and a lot of clout so long as they have a large voter base dependent upon Welfare benefits. They are beginning to see they alienated a significant part of the electorate, so they are pretending to modify their positions to get back in power. What we can do about it is to strongly push our elected Reps to enact strong Voter I.D. Laws, restrict most all mail-in-voting and unattended ballot drop boxes, and enhance security of voting machines and ballot counting. Democrat opposition to election security shows they need cheating to win.

And as gun owners, we should stop accepting the silly idea that fellow gun owners who support anti-gunners are "staunch 2nd Amendment supporters". They aren't.

It will be interesting, the Feds did illegally tax me for many thousands of dollars, I sure would like my money back. My clients feel the same way.

Well, that is a wonderfully progressive/liberal thing to say. "Everything is just points on a spectrum" "Speak your truth" "Break the binary" But actually, there is a lot of binary out there, and it all breaks down into right or wrong. Despite attempts by intellectuals and their weak-minded followers who want to see this country turned upside down.

And, we do get to decide what's wrong, it's called results. Take for example, the senator your pro-gun democrat buddies sent to Washington, Tammy Baldwin. Do you know what her voting record on the Second Amendment is? I'll give you a hint, it's not good, at all. If your idea of defending the Second Amendment is sending a gun hating Senator to Washington, you're wrong, it's really just that simple.

But you still haven't answered my question. How do you staunchly defend the Second Amendment when you send staunchly anti-gun congressmen and Senators to Washington? How do you see it as a win, when the people you elect are actively trying to legislate the Second Amendment out of existence? I'm trying to understand this, explain it, if you will.

Tim

Shame it seems to be so hard for to understand Tim.