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I am sure they would send images or go over it w/ you on the phone. I would ask about the barrel steel type.

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

I’ve bought several guns from Simpsons. SxS, bolt actions and 22s. I’ve not been disappointed yet. I’m really a novice but I haven’t seen much difference between any of the post war GDR/DDR SXS. Whether Simson or Gbr Merkel. A 1982 Gbr. Merkel did have some stamped internal parts but it worked fine. I’ve kept a 1952 and 1958 Sauer 12ga. One has the “3 Rings” the other the “4 Rings” markings on the barrels. Maybe Krupp and a Russian indicator of the steel or the stamps were handy in a workers paradise? I’ve been happy with a couple of Husqvarna 310 (310AS and 310AN) and Brno ZP47 sidelocks. The Brno have more drop on the stock than I’m used to. The 310AN has a weld to fix a crack in the trigger guard where it screws into the gun that they didn’t notice and I didn’t notice till I took it apart but not a deal breaker. Call them and have the SKU and a salesman will go over the gun with you and answer any questions. They’ll break the gun down and tell you what the markings are on the flats. But they’re not what’s the word? Loonies?? Like all of us here. One time they told me it was a December 1970 gun (12/70). Nope! there was also an 867. And I’m still not sure I decipher a Belgian markings correctly. I’ve got a gunsmith friend who has cleaned the dried grease and opened the chokes for a $$. These guns are far better than a Stevens 311 and see what people want for them.

DBH1956, or anyone else,
what do the rings markings on the barrels mean.

I listed a few guns on an earlier post. Anyone have any idea about them? I think there are at least 2 I would ask about. Do you think if I asked the Salesman which one seemed better it would be a good idea? After all, they look at guns all day.

I hope the Krupp three rings markings on this 1950 dated Sauer 12ga. mean they are pre-war barrels. The four olympic style rings on a 1958 Sauer 12ga mean a soviet steel. At least that is what I have read here. But think about East Germany just 5 years after the war. What a mess it must have been. But it's a nice utilitarian gun. Straight English stock, a little over 28" barrels, both a few ounces under 7lbs, and both lock up tight. The 1950 has thick reddish varnish like I have seen on some Mosin Nagant rifles. I like them and find them very interesting. I always want more! Sorry for the large pictures it's been a while since I posted pictures.

thank you all. got #2 from the list i posted. should have it in my hands in a few days or next week. Forgot to ask about the rings.

Appreciate all the advice and help i got on this board.

The 3 Rings are Krupp 3 Ringe Weapons Grade, usually found on Sauer platforms as Sauer & Krupp were very, very chummy.

4 Rings is a Post War attempt to mimic 3 Ringe Steel & @ one time we thought it was a Russian Source, but some Russian researchers say it wasn't Russia?? Not sure, but for sure Post WWiI.

Typically reads „Spezial Weapons Stahl S.G. 1 50A“

>>Yes, 4-rings was related to material, according to some Soviet publications in press it was Russian barrel steel 50A (S.G.1).
But there is one question where did GDR get barrel steel when all pre-war and war time German steel stock got empty? Definatly from USSR. There were 3 types of Russian barrel steel for hunting weapons: 50A, later 50AR and chrome-nickel steel 30CrN2МF (Boler Blitz analog) mostly on GDR Merkel's and other high grade GDR guns.
The story with 4 rings "Krupp" steel is not quite clear. Guns for export to the West or because Krupp family was in West Germany and claimed ther rights for 3-ring trademark.<<

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=172507#:~:text=There%20were%203%20types%20of,other%20high%20grade%20GDR%20guns.

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Steel Stamp of >>Special Gewehr Lauf Stahl S?<<



I was able to acquire the BüHag I posted from GunsInternational. Interesting that in 1962, or thereabouts, it was imported into Japan, hence the long datastring on the water-table. Then it was brought back to Iowa by a GI.

72 cm stellar tubes and 36 cm LOP. I just am unsure if it has been fired.

What is interesting about this BüHag is that it is only a >>Qualität 1<< when it should be higher like >>S<<, etc.

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

That is a lovely BuHag. It looks new.

I don't see any rings on the barrels.

Going to clean it up and freshen the stock. the gun balances well and if I actually look at the target and not the gun does it's thing.

Taking it to a gunsmith next week to have him clean it out. The safety is stiff and it could use a cleaning.

Safeties are always stiff. Make sure to get some oil, lubricant, whatever n the slide and anywhere else you can slather it.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

I assume the crack in the panel @ the overhanging scear is from dry snapping?





I really do not see any circular marks @ all noting a shotshell being fired? Just vertikal troughs from the strikers protuding. I guess I could get a foto of the strikers protruding....

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse