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Funny thing is, reloading a 12 gauge these days is a fool‘s errand. What's foolish about reloading specialty 12 gauge shells that cannot be bought, or cannot be bought except at prohibitively high prices? I’m not a reloader, but, if you are into that 2 1/2” or 2” 12 gauge thing, that might be the only reasonable way to have ammunition. Out in my shop is a brand, spanking, new 1981 vintage Mec 600 Junior, for 12 gauge. Same old story, the old man died and his heirs put it out by the curb with a bunch of stuff next to a piece of plywood that had “Free” painted on it. I was walking the dog, and carried the box home on my head. When I walked back, everything, the old tires, the toolboxes, the minnow buckets, everything, was gone. Even the plywood that said “free” on it. I never set it up, either. Same thing might happen, here. Best, Ted
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Funny thing is, reloading a 12 gauge these days is a fool‘s errand. What's foolish about reloading specialty 12 gauge shells that cannot be bought, or cannot be bought except at prohibitively high prices? I’m not a reloader, but, if you are into that 2 1/2” or 2” 12 gauge thing, that might be the only reasonable way to have ammunition. Out in my shop is a brand, spanking, new 1981 vintage Mec 600 Junior, for 12 gauge. Same old story, the old man died and his heirs put it out by the curb with a bunch of stuff next to a piece of plywood that had “Free” painted on it. I was walking the dog, and carried the box home on my head. When I walked back, everything, the old tires, the toolboxes, the minnow buckets, everything, was gone. Even the plywood that said “free” on it. I never set it up, either. Same thing might happen, here. Best, Ted I only reload 2" shells on a Mec Jr. Long gone are the days as a trapshooter that I loaded 100's upon 100's of 12 ga. trap loads on a Mec hydraulic press. With the price of lead today it just doesn't pay even for a prolific trapshooter.
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No I am saying that home brew reloaders, assume all risks of their stupidity. the trap shooting world is rife with them, of course the trap shooting world is also littered with blown up Shotguns.
You be the judge.
To cycle back to the original post of this thread, the PSI required to blow up a mono block that is cut from a steel billet that is tested multiple times before it gets near any of the precision work has to have extraordinarily high pressures. Only so many ways to get there.
Only so many ways to get detonation in a shotgun hull.
The OP hasn’t offered any additional information since the beginning.
Read into that what you want Relax, I wasn't reading anything into it. It appears you know a lot more about Trap Shooters blowing up their guns than I do. And I have nothing to argue one way or the other about this gun blowing up. I was just curious about a statement you made, because of all the dumb things I've read about, loading shotshells with surplus rifle powder didn't make the list. Other than lodging something in the bore, I don't even see it being dangerous, although it is a ridiculously stupid thing to do. But people have done dumber things. I was just hoping to learn a little more. Tim
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OK, I’ll bite.
First, Stan, I was just referring to standard 7/8 to 1 ounce competition loads that people that shoot a lot run through by the thousands. It’s not worth it to me, to acquire all the components to produce specialty 12 gauge rounds in the 2 3/4 length. My time is more valuable than the financial difference.
One $30 box of specialty 12 gauge loads more than covers my pheasant season. And I have all of the 3 inch 20 gauge cartridges that a person could ever want, so I’m not going to bother to set up to make those.
But there are lots of people that run through 1000 or more rounds a week. Especially retirees down at the ranges in Florida. With the cost of components, it just isn’t worth the time to sit down and try to crank out that kind of shell volume. You’re doing it for $.50 a box. That’s a fools errand. Last time I priced out 12 gauge rounds, it was 727 a box, I could buy them for 734 at Walmart.
If a person reads online in the trap, shooting world, they will read every abomination involving a shotgun and cartridge that can possibly be found.
If a person reads in the precision rifle world, there are plenty of people privately experimenting with surplus reclaimed powders
To bring it all into a circle, there are people that reload pistol cartridges with just a pinch of various rifle powders.
I cannot trade my safety or the condition of my equipment for microscopic financial improvements.
But people do it every day.
Out there doing it best I can.
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Actually, CZ, I wasn't baiting you. I really wanted to understand why you said "Funny thing is, reloading a 12 gauge these days is a fool‘s errand." You explained yourself.
But, wouldn't it have been better to have made it clear the first time instead of making a general, sweeping and inaccurate statement like you did? Don't assume that the rest of us can get inside The Grey Man's head.
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Look Stan, The thread is about a blown up comp gun. It used to shoot SAAMI spec loads
For a guy that doesn’t even shoot, I admire the gaul you show sticking your non competition shooting nose belligerently into every thread I post on.
Out there doing it best I can.
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