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Few people would argue that Iran's leaders don't deserve the treatment they're getting. Critical comments about the conduct of the war are attacked here as if they offer support for Iran. Trump launched a war without adequate planning. He has alienated our allies and wonders why they aren't jumping in. Read the column by Chuck Hagel and Leon Panetta in today's NYT. Read recent columns by Thomas Freidman. These are loyal Americans with career experience in warfare and the Middle East. I truly hope Trump succeeds here. However, I greatly fear he is far in over his head and may end up doing untold damage world wide.

Typical response from you based on ideologue sources. Those three losers you cite, not to mention the bogus NYT in general, are as full of sh*t as a Christmas turkey, always have been. And you have no way of knowing anything about the planning that went into the military action against Iran. Our so-called "allies" are cowards hiding under their bedsheets hoping Trump succeeds yet criticizing him at the same time. Newsflash: This untold damage world wide you speak of has been going on since 1979 by the Iranian theocracy. President Trump is doing what no other president had the courage to do. Good vs evil, Bill.
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This Trump Trope is remarkably common among those with TDS. "Trump is in over his head". As though he is consistently incompetent. As though he has no clue.

Yet his track record is one of incredible success in implementing his mandate. The reality Bill, is you think he's in over his head because you disagree with his mandate, his plans and his actions, not that he has demonstrated some consistent level of incompetence.

Lots of speculation there...weak on facts and data.

CB, I happen to agree with many issues in Trump's mandate: we have to control our borders; our allies should pay more for their defense; the US should be less dependent on other nations and more self-sufficient;ect;ect. The trouble is he believes with all his being that the end justifies the means. He is determined to force the world to conform to his wishes. He is isolating America and turning it into a pariah state. That may well please many here, but it scares rational people everywhere who believed since forever that they could count on us. Take Greenland for instance. Trump wants to mine there, but for some reason Greenlanders aren't enthusiastic. How could they be when his opening gambit was a threat to seize the place by force? His biggest accomplishment is his ICE campaign, a reign of terror whose tactics make us look like Chili under Pinochet.

In 1915 no one in the world "counted" on the US to solve the exploding problem of WW1

In 1939 no one in the world "counted" on the US to solve the exploding problem of Nazi Germany.

In both those instances the US did it's level best to stay out of those giant conflicts.

The Western world has become dependent on.....counts on the US because the Western world became a welfare recipient of America's largess and moral guidance since 1945. And now, like a typical welfare recipient, they have come to view that largess as their due and are outraged when it may not be forthcoming.

Trump is simply re-ordering things to a more balanced relationship. Pariah state? Don't make me laugh. Your hyperbole undermines any effort at credibility.

FYI there are plenty of Greenlanders who are enthusiastic about America's potential involvement there as they are a bit sick of being both ruled by and looked down on by the Danes. The ICE reign of terror is nailing criminals. Good for ICE. BTW, of the 3000 plus counties in the USA, only about 8 count for the vast majority of violent ICE actions and violent anti ICE protests. Hmmmm.......wonder what is going on in those 8 counties that isn't happening in the other 2992 counties.

That’s it in a nutshell.

In a letter to the editor in the WSJ …

“President Trump has requested other countries to assist in the full opening of the Strait of Hormuz. Real allies would have volunteered their help, not needing to be asked. There are very few countries that aren’t being harmed by this closure.

I am reminded of the children’s story, “The Little Red Hen.” No one wanted to help make the flour, the dough or bake the bread, but they all wanted to eat it after it was done.”


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No more free rides.

America's saving democracy in two world wars is not at issue. Those European countries have been loyal allies ever since. Trump has managed to alienate them. Yes, they should have been paying more for defense. But before making them hate us, he might have tried persuasion. He thinks he can compel them to act in his interests. His greatest failure is the hatred and division he has sown. The notion that any means is justified by the end is the source of his failure. It is utterly antithetical to basic Christian teaching and central to the methodology of every dictatorship, whether of the left or the right.

Bill, the loyal ally was America. The rest weren't loyal. They didn't pay their way. They demanded everything of America and gave lip service in return. I know......I live in one of the worst offenders. A huge number of Canadians hated America long before Trump came along. This is something very few Americans understand. And it's very typical of dependents. They hate those they are beholden to. A very high percentage of Europeans disliked Americans long before Trump. It's couched in the Ugly American Tourist trope but it goes far beyond that.