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Re: No markings on the top rib early LCS Kutter #673858 04/13/26 03:39 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,780 Likes: 1191 Parker, Colorado Lloyd3 Sidelock
Lloyd3 Sidelock Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,780 Likes: 1191 Parker, Colorado	Could this gun be an early 1892 perhaps? The bakelite forend decoration and the later butt-plate makes me think it's a later gun, even into 1893. Also... 1901 & 1890 guns as examples of Fulton and Syracuse Elsie production. 1891 Quality 1 and 1890 Quality 2 The bolsters on the bottom of the action evolved rapidly away (too much hand fitting!). 1891 Quality 1 on top, 1890 Quality 2 on bottom.By 1893-4 they were all flat-bottomed. 1890 Quality 2 gun in 12 ( 1st year of production @ Fulton) w/escutcheon on forend 1886 Syracuse 10 gauge Quality 3? (not my gun btw) The Syracuse guns could be quite pretty. Zero mass-production lends itself to that better perhaps... Last edited by Lloyd3; 04/13/26 04:15 PM.

Re: No markings on the top rib early LCS Kutter #673861 04/13/26 04:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,922 Likes: 545 AZ but dreaming of KS Drew Hause Sidelock
Drew Hause Sidelock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,922 Likes: 545 AZ but dreaming of KS	The gun on the R in the first pic has Syracuse style ribs and rectangular barrel lug. Depending on the SN it could be a transition gun. I do not believe the Syracuse guns had the dog head FE insert. Long thread regarding transition guns https://members.boardhost.com/lcsmith/msg/1692625950.html https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home

Re: No markings on the top rib early LCS Kutter #673863 04/13/26 04:17 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,780 Likes: 1191 Parker, Colorado Lloyd3 Sidelock
Lloyd3 Sidelock Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,780 Likes: 1191 Parker, Colorado	What is the proper term for them Dr. Drew, I've seen them referred to as frame "bolsters" and "ribs"?

Re: No markings on the top rib early LCS Kutter #673864 04/13/26 04:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,922 Likes: 545 AZ but dreaming of KS Drew Hause Sidelock
Drew Hause Sidelock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,922 Likes: 545 AZ but dreaming of KS	This is what Hollowell says https://www.hallowellco.com/reinforced_frame.htm Researcher posted pics of Parkers with both side clips and bolsters here https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...p;Board=1&main=47383&type=thread https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home

Re: No markings on the top rib early LCS Kutter #673872 04/13/26 05:49 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,780 Likes: 1191 Parker, Colorado Lloyd3 Sidelock
Lloyd3 Sidelock Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,780 Likes: 1191 Parker, Colorado	Dr. Drew: The features I'm referring to are on the bottom and sides of the main body of action. The one British gun I've owned with them (a back-action John Blanch) has even been referred to as having a "drooping bar". The feature Hollowell is referencing here is re-inforcing (strengthening) the angle between the water table and the standing breech, not the bottom of the action.

Re: No markings on the top rib early LCS Kutter #673875 04/13/26 06:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,922 Likes: 545 AZ but dreaming of KS Drew Hause Sidelock
Drew Hause Sidelock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,922 Likes: 545 AZ but dreaming of KS	The strengthening embellishment on the sides of the action are "bolsters" This is the Ithaca Crass "Reinforced Frame" I've never seen a L.C. Smith Maker, Syracuse ad or catalog naming the embellishment on the bottom of the action. Houchins called them "sculptured ribs" and "concave ribs". https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home

Re: No markings on the top rib early LCS Kutter #673908 04/14/26 08:44 AM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,780 Likes: 1191 Parker, Colorado Lloyd3 Sidelock
Lloyd3 Sidelock Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,780 Likes: 1191 Parker, Colorado	Well...you have bolstered breeches and then bolstered frames IMHO. Dr. Drew's Ithaca advert reminded me of this one. A double-ribbed gun? No, it is a "double bolstered gun" with a double-thick breech... A comparison of early Fulton butplates (and drop at heel)... Gutta Percha and Bakelite. Last edited by Lloyd3; 04/14/26 09:53 AM.

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