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I managed to get these pictures from a fellow looking for information

Pictures pending




He is trying to identify it. In my limited knowledge I have only been able to tell him it is probably Belgian.


Alan

Well, I guess the pictures are not going to post… I’ll try again.

Alan

Kindly forward any & all fotos to me & I will gladly post them for you.

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Steps for posting a photo. Here are my notes for JPBOX and IMGUR. IMGUR has changed its formate from time to time. I have to resort to the "old format" then an extra step after downloading. But anywhere here it is again:

IMGUR

Open a free account on IMGUR. then follow these directions:
1). Images
2). Post new
3) drag photo to new post square
4) go back to images
5) click on the photo
6) click the code button and post

Visual 1:

Visual 2:


JPGBOX instructios:

Sign into free JPGBOX.
1) Click on upload image from computer
2) Look at the titles on your desktop and select the image you want; click upload
3) Go to jpgbox and super copy the text that is displayed and post it on BBS

Here's a few & I will work on the rest.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Yeah, the format & quality of these files appears to be poor.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Well, the guy is as good a photographer as he is a gun owner…

But, at least he is asking questions, and I wish I had better answers… and better pictures… If he finds out what he has it may peak his interest in doubles and guns in general.

He didn’t provide pictures of the barrel flats. I’m wondering wha that mass of brazing material is and why it’s there.


Thanks for the help.

Alan

Belgian bp proofs?

More fotos.....

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Yet, another attempt....


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

'ACCI' was a mark of Syndicat des Pièces Interchangeables (along with 'SPI') established in 1899 by Neumann Frères, Janssen Fils and Dumoulin Fils & Co.
https://www.littlegun.be/arme%20bel...des%20pieces%20interchangeables%20gb.htm



Rather casual attention to fitment of the barrel lump

Odd bore at 16.0 = .630" but that was probably at the time of First Provisional Proof of the tubes

Please tell your friend to clean up the exterior surfaces, squirt epoxy in the firing pin holes, and hang it on the wall. I suspect the ? dovetail lump separated at some point.
A pic of the barrel flats would be interesting.

You’ve told him about all he really needed to know, save, maybe, don’t try shooting it.

That one is pretty rough.

Best,
Ted

Well, there’s the pictures with a special thanks to @ellenbr.

Any ideas?

Alan

I’d say Belgian, Maybe Guild gun?

Alan

It is, indeed, Belgian. Guild gun might be too generous, as there were some high quality guild guns. This one, is not that. Many years ago, a member here gave guns of this level the acronym of JABC, standing for “just another Belgian clunker”.

His handle, was Klunkermeister, or, Klunk, to those of us who knew him.

RIP.

Best,
Ted

Hause:

Good Eye & note both tubes passed Preliminary Proof Twice.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

I have imposed one last time on the generosity of @ellenbr in posting the pictures. It is one of the barrel flats as requested. I’m not sure what the intent was but it appears to have required a lot of brazing and the use of a cross pin hammer…

Thanks again to all for your help.

I don’t use my own doubles near enough lately… I’ll have to do something about that …

Alan

Um, the likes of which I have not yet seen prior......

Hause, pull a Belgian Rabbit out of the Hat.....

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Good old Russ, the Klunkmeister...

This is not just another Belgian clunker. This one has braze! Maybe JABBC?

I think clunker should be capitalized.

Best,
Ted

Good to hear from you Raimey. Everyone else appears to have me on "Ignore"

Unfortunately not many of the marks remain
Upper L '16 something' likely the bore at the time of final (3rd) proof
I think it's a 16 in the diamond lower R
The crowned proof house mark remains lower R

Yes, an expert repair of a separated dovetail lump



Possibly the 'gunsmith' could be recruited to tackle this repair

Bet not.

Best,
Ted

Thanks Hause and some of the Greats are Just Worthy of Ignoring......

Most interesting on ACCI and what exactly does that stand for??


Any word on the double stamp of stylized & intertwined EL on the tubes?

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

The stylized EL was applied at the time of the first Provisional Proof. It's pretty common to see it double stamped, and I don't know why. Maybe at the 2nd proof of the joined tubes.

Nothing definitive on the 'ACCI' and I haven't found a barrel maker with those letters (which the Belgians tended to dyslexicly rearrange for our confusion ). Later SPI doubles frequently had the ‘LLH’ of Laurent Lochet-Habran and 'ACL' in an oval of Acier Cockerill Liege
Maybe Société Anonyme John Cockerill??

If the desired end result is keeping the gun from being fired, I question the “squirt epoxy into the firing pin holes” method of doing that. With just a bit is disassembly, the pins, hammer springs, or both being removed, could keep it from being fired by some optimistic sport.

Trust me, the virginity is long gone, someone has been in there, before. Do the task correctly.

Best,
Ted

Cracker Barrel missed out here...
JR

This would make a lovely floor lamp