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Pictures in the listing show Norma 9.3x74R cartridges in the chamber and cartridge trap. Close inspection will show if either has been modified. But, that's a pretty snappy cartridge for a gun that's 116 years old. Perhaps that's why the stock was damaged and repaired. I have lots of Big Bores so there is no need for me to Max out the loading. I want to have fun shooting the rifle, not damaging it.

Again, a 9,3X74R will chamber into a 9,3X72R Sauer & Sohn without modification. But a chamber cast will always ferret out the demon cartridge.

it is good to see that someone on the board made the acquisition.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

This early Kersten contraption is a fascinating gun. Almost as ugly as a Winchester 1887 (which, by the way, was successfully used in Germany back then, when hunters when not quite as reactionary and backwards as they are today...).
It reminds me of the Terminator, in a way....

Hello,
I have been looking for drawings to show the difference between the 2 cartridges, but cannot find a drawing for the Sauer 9.3x74r .. do you, or anyone, have a drawing that I can use to compare to a chamber cast?

buckstix,
I don't have drawings, but the head diameter of 9.3x74R is supposed to be.468" (usually smaller) vs. .473" (I don't have original cases to check original dia.) for the S+S, and the S+S case is 2mm (nominal) shorter than the 74R. My own 9.3x72R S+S will chamber 9.3x74 R cartridges because the cases are heavily crimped into the crimping groove of the bullet, allowing it to enter the shorter chamber. I found out early that it would not shoot bullets longer than the 286-grain round nose. It was not until I came home to the US and started handloading ammo with shorter 250 grain spitzer bullets that I discovered that a 250-grain bullet would not enter a 9.3x74R case fired in that rifle but would enter a case fired in my Heym double rifle. I now just shorten the cases 2mm and load them with 9.3x74R dies and charge weight. It should be noted that proof marks included the bore diameter, but not case length. Also, it was obvious that a 9.3x72R normalizert case is way too small diameter for the chamber.
Mike

Thank you ... we are talking about the 9.3x74R Sauer ... not the 9.3x72R Sauer .. correct?

Hmm. I have never heard of a specific "9,3x74R Sauer", as opposed to the normal and rather common 9,3x74R.
Quite different from the shouldered 9,3x72R Sauer, opposed to its three other different, although namesake, non-shouldered incarnations (namely E, D, and Norm.).

Neither is a 9,3x74R Sauer mentioned in the (fairly authoritative) list of the many various Sauer cartridges, here:
https://germanhuntingguns.com/the-j-p-sauer-sohn-cartridges/

But I could well be wrong, so kindly educate me.

Weidmannsheil,
Carcano

Indeed, 9,3X72R Sauer & Sohn vs 9,3X74R.

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

https://germanhuntingguns.com/the-j-p-sauer-sohn-cartridges/





Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Thanks for the reply.

Is it true that the 9.3x72R Sauer is a much "less powerful" cartridge than the modern 9.3x74R cartridge? I can find no ballistic info for the 9.3x72R Sauer.
I hope to have a chamber cast on Friday to determine the actual caliber of the rifle barrel.