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Originally Posted by Jagermeister
I read some years back that MacKay Brown markets 8lb Tall Pheasant O/U for English driven game syndicate members.

This Buchan chap bought McKay Brown awhile ago…

https://www.[censored - come on man!].com/shotguns/scotsman-grant-buchan-acquires-mckay-brown-keeping-the-fabled-gunmaker-on-scottish-soil.html

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“We won’t integrate the two brands,” Mr. Buchan noted. “They service different clientele.” …



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Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by Jagermeister
I read some years back that MacKay Brown markets 8lb Tall Pheasant O/U for English driven game syndicate members.

This Buchan chap bought McKay Brown awhile ago…

https://www.[censored - come on man!].com/shotgun...he-fabled-gunmaker-on-scottish-soil.html

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“We won’t integrate the two brands,” Mr. Buchan noted. “They service different clientele.” …

Their swords were like meat cleavers, but their shotguns were and are very, very good. If I win lotto jackpot I will order me one of those Tall Pheasant slayers.
I like them highlanders like I like Irishmen because they were and are treated like us Eastern Europeans by the Western Europeans.

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Originally Posted by Jagermeister
Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by Jagermeister
I read some years back that MacKay Brown markets 8lb Tall Pheasant O/U for English driven game syndicate members.

This Buchan chap bought McKay Brown awhile ago…

https://www.[censored - come on man!].com/shotguns/scotsman-grant-buchan-acquires-mckay-brown-keeping-the-fabled-gunmaker-on-scottish-soil.html

(Link is censored/blocked………shotgun life dot com)


“We won’t integrate the two brands,” Mr. Buchan noted. “They service different clientele.” …

Their swords were like meat cleavers, but their shotguns were and are very, very good. If I win lotto jackpot I will order me one of those Tall Pheasant slayers.
I like them highlanders like I like Irishmen because they were and are treated like us Eastern Europeans by the Western Europeans.

That is just overthinking a shotgun.


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Now in the Edwardian years shooters would venture out to the estates and stay for a month or longer. They would shoot unheard of amount of birds on a daily shoot and that would go on for days.
So yes the "Best" guns did hold up to a lot of shooting. Now there were shooters that had pairs, trio's and quartets as well.
I have a Boss round body that was #4 of a quartet that belonged to Lord Saville.


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Originally Posted by PALUNC
I have a Boss round body that was #4 of a quartet that belonged to Lord Saville.

This is not a belittling question, Mike. Really.

But, what exactly does that mean to you? I ask because I try to understand mindsets that differ from my own. Can you shoot the gun really well? Or, does it mean more to you because it was some part of British history?

Do you have a special connection to Lord Saville (some connection to Saville Row, the exclusive street of English tailors, or something?)

Why is a gun, that was a fourth member of a set that belonged to some Brit over a hundred years ago, special to you?


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To the above question I would answer for myself not for others.
In most cases it adds nothing tangible for me. Yet it takes nothing away from my enjoyment either. I have a well configured 20 bore Purdey built for a Swiss count. It’s a 28” 1 oz proof gun with sideclips and third fastener. 5# 12 oz. Excellent stock dimensions with plenty of length. In effect a miniature pigeon gun. I get a slight positive feeling thinking about the Swiss count that I would not get thinking “This was built for a fat chick from Lake Charles” 😂

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If it adds nothing, why do folks seem so quick to mention that it was owned by count, or a duke, or some English military officer who served in some obscure place in India? I just don't get it.

A shotgun's ultimate purpose is to hit the thing we are shooting at . . . . period. What does it matter if it belonged, a hundred years ago, to some sort of royalty? Or, if it was originally bought by a hardscrabble farmer who used it to feed the family for forty years?

I guess if you bought the gun to be able to brag of its provenance, that's important to you. But, if you then proceed to miss 4 doves for every one you hit with it, what have you shown, or accomplished?

Do you tell yourself on the way home "I shot like s**t, but I was shooting a gun that a count, or prince, used to own!"?

Maybe I'm too results oriented, but I just hate like hell to miss. Regardless who previously owned the gun I now have.

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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
If it adds nothing, why do folks seem so quick to mention that it was owned by count, or a duke, or some English military officer who served in some obscure place in India? I just don't get it.

A shotgun's ultimate purpose is to hit the thing we are shooting at . . . . period. What does it matter if it belonged, a hundred years ago, to some sort of royalty? Or, if it was originally bought by a hardscrabble farmer who used it to feed the family for forty years?

I guess if you bought the gun to be able to brag of its provenance, that's important to you. But, if you then proceed to miss 4 doves for every one you hit with it, what have you shown, or accomplished?

Do you tell yourself on the way home "I shot like s**t, but I was shooting a gun that a count, or prince, used to own!"?

Maybe I'm too results oriented, but I just hate like hell to miss. Regardless who previously owned the gun I now have.

Some people enjoy knowing the history of the things they own.

It's that simple.

...it also doesn't hurt to be able to provide the detail when it's time to sell it, if that is a possibility.

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Provenance is a thing, Stan. Just not your thing.

If it makes you feel any better, not mine, either. I did own a gun once owned by Steve Bodio, but, he isn’t a count, and the gun was what you call a loss leader.

Just right for me.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Or, Lonny.

Did I ever mention that I owned Jon Voight’s LeBaron?


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