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Originally Posted by Drew Hause
As Geoff observed, it was reproved in 89' under the 1954-1989 Rules. 3 Tons is for a max. service pressure of about 9000 psi
Original bores were 13/1 = .719" to .728". At reproof R .728" and L .732" so likely not much honing.
Are the chambers still 2 1/2"?

The only downside is one has to use specialized shells in it that won't be available in the boonies. County Walmarts tend to have more robust inventories than those in cities so one might find extra light target loads, however, shot size will be US 7.5 or smaller.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted by Geoff Roznak
I'd rather have a refinished gun than a safe queen.

Why would that be? I’ve had a few safe queens pass through my hands, still have a few, they all worked and looked as the manufacturer intended.

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You left out the best part Ted!

Originally Posted by Geoff Roznak
Look for how proud the metal is of the wood...each refinish takes it down a bit.

Refinished is good...there's little benefit to original condition.


Ted, I'm afraid we both somehow clicked on something that led us through an internet portal to a bizarre alternate universe.

In this bizarro world, refinished guns are valued more than safe queens, or even New-in-Box specimens...

Buffed and well circulated coins are valued more than uncirculated MS-70 Proof coins...

Cancelled Postage Stamps are worth more than the same stamp in new unhinged condition...

A collector car with Bondo and fresh paint covering decades of rust and abuse is worth much more than an extremely low miles vehicle that has been carefully stored and preserved...

In this wacked-out alternate universe where everything you thought you knew is wrong, 25% Biden Inflation is much better for the economy than much lower Trump Inflation. Women happily shop for old broken-in shoes at Goodwill because they are prettier and cheaper. Radical Muslims with Nukes make the world safer. And anti-Gun Democrats are supported by gun owners because we don't really need Gun Rights to own and shoot guns....

And that old out of date Cottage Cheese in the back of your refrigerator.... just scrape the green mold off the top and eat it because everyone knows it's better than the fresh new carton.

Can't make this shit up, but it's where we're at. This has given me a headache, so I'm going to take a couple Tylenol that expired in 1990, and hope for the best.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted by Geoff Roznak
I'd rather have a refinished gun than a safe queen.

Why would that be? I’ve had a few safe queens pass through my hands, still have a few, they all worked and looked as the manufacturer intended.

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Ted

Because I buy things to use them, not to just look at them. YMMV - that's why I stated what I'd rather have instead of proclaiming what everyone should do. wink

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The chambers are still 2 1/2". I like the 2 1/2" 12 shell. I do plan to shoot and enjoy this gun. I don't own any safe queens, but that's just me. They all get shot with proper loads.

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Originally Posted by Geoff Roznak
Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted by Geoff Roznak
I'd rather have a refinished gun than a safe queen.

Why would that be? I’ve had a few safe queens pass through my hands, still have a few, they all worked and looked as the manufacturer intended.

Best,
Ted

Because I buy things to use them, not to just look at them. YMMV - that's why I stated what I'd rather have instead of proclaiming what everyone should do. wink

I buy them to use them as well. I also like to use a gun that is in fantastic condition, and given the option would take the safe queen every time.

Help me to understand the notion the refinished gun is somehow preferable to have and use over the gun that lived in its box for the entire time prior to it becoming available.

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Prandelli & Gasperini 20 gauge boxlock non ejector, 3” chambers, built to the notions of one Francis E. Sell circa 1967, in regards to bore dimensions, chambers and chokes. It never saw the light of day until I owned it. Not refinished.


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1920 vintage Halifax Darne, 12 gauge, wearing most of its original bone case colors. Choked IC/IMOD, luscious 28” tubes at .050 wall just about everywhere. Not refinished. No need, it lived in a closet for 90 bird seasons.


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1960 Vintage V19 28 gauge, sitting on the box it spent 55 years in. I actually had Geoffroy put a checkered ebony buttplate and a sling on the gun, identical to what was optionally available when it was new. The work is flawless, and Geoffroy actually laid a bit of engraving on the butt stock fitting, matching the work from when the gun was new, something he was the very best at. Wish I shot this one better, it is a joy to carry and handle. But, even if I send it down the road, it will bring more than a refinished Darne.

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1938 vintage Ithaca Lefever Nitro Special, 16 gauge, 26” CYL/MOD chokes factory 2 3/4” chambers. The barrels had some furry rust on them, after I won the day with a $257 bid. I had the barrels blued, polishing them to about 400, which, would have been correct for that era. The colors are vibrant and the wood is superb. A little bit refinished, but, few would know. I use it with heavy metal in an area that requires non toxic shot. I like the fact my non toxic shot gun is almost 90 seasons young. Contrast the colors on this one to anything Nitro Special ed has posted for sale in the last two decades.

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Can’t help but wonder why someone would prefer a gun in lesser condition to own and keep.

But, here we are.

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Ted

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Help me to understand the notion the refinished gun is somehow preferable to have and use over the gun that lived in its box for the entire time prior to it becoming available.

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Can’t help but wonder why someone would prefer a gun in lesser condition to own and keep.

But, here we are.

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Ted

Have, not buy.

I'm delighted to buy a gun that was a safe queen.

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Then use them.

I don't own any safe queens.

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I like high condition guns and own quite a few, that said I completely see the advantage of buying a gun that is in excellent mechanical condition with some refinish work done for a lower dollar.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.


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