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The only downside is one has to use specialized shells in it that won't be available in the boonies. County Walmarts tend to have more robust inventories than those in cities so one might find extra light target loads, however, shot size will be US 7.5 or smaller.

You left out the best part Ted!



Ted, I'm afraid we both somehow clicked on something that led us through an internet portal to a bizarre alternate universe.

In this bizarro world, refinished guns are valued more than safe queens, or even New-in-Box specimens...

Buffed and well circulated coins are valued more than uncirculated MS-70 Proof coins...

Cancelled Postage Stamps are worth more than the same stamp in new unhinged condition...

A collector car with Bondo and fresh paint covering decades of rust and abuse is worth much more than an extremely low miles vehicle that has been carefully stored and preserved...

In this wacked-out alternate universe where everything you thought you knew is wrong, 25% Biden Inflation is much better for the economy than much lower Trump Inflation. Women happily shop for old broken-in shoes at Goodwill because they are prettier and cheaper. Radical Muslims with Nukes make the world safer. And anti-Gun Democrats are supported by gun owners because we don't really need Gun Rights to own and shoot guns....

And that old out of date Cottage Cheese in the back of your refrigerator.... just scrape the green mold off the top and eat it because everyone knows it's better than the fresh new carton.

Can't make this shit up, but it's where we're at. This has given me a headache, so I'm going to take a couple Tylenol that expired in 1990, and hope for the best.

Because I buy things to use them, not to just look at them. YMMV - that's why I stated what I'd rather have instead of proclaiming what everyone should do.

The chambers are still 2 1/2". I like the 2 1/2" 12 shell. I do plan to shoot and enjoy this gun. I don't own any safe queens, but that's just me. They all get shot with proper loads.

I buy them to use them as well. I also like to use a gun that is in fantastic condition, and given the option would take the safe queen every time.

Help me to understand the notion the refinished gun is somehow preferable to have and use over the gun that lived in its box for the entire time prior to it becoming available.



Prandelli & Gasperini 20 gauge boxlock non ejector, 3” chambers, built to the notions of one Francis E. Sell circa 1967, in regards to bore dimensions, chambers and chokes. It never saw the light of day until I owned it. Not refinished.




1920 vintage Halifax Darne, 12 gauge, wearing most of its original bone case colors. Choked IC/IMOD, luscious 28” tubes at .050 wall just about everywhere. Not refinished. No need, it lived in a closet for 90 bird seasons.




1960 Vintage V19 28 gauge, sitting on the box it spent 55 years in. I actually had Geoffroy put a checkered ebony buttplate and a sling on the gun, identical to what was optionally available when it was new. The work is flawless, and Geoffroy actually laid a bit of engraving on the butt stock fitting, matching the work from when the gun was new, something he was the very best at. Wish I shot this one better, it is a joy to carry and handle. But, even if I send it down the road, it will bring more than a refinished Darne.



1938 vintage Ithaca Lefever Nitro Special, 16 gauge, 26” CYL/MOD chokes factory 2 3/4” chambers. The barrels had some furry rust on them, after I won the day with a $257 bid. I had the barrels blued, polishing them to about 400, which, would have been correct for that era. The colors are vibrant and the wood is superb. A little bit refinished, but, few would know. I use it with heavy metal in an area that requires non toxic shot. I like the fact my non toxic shot gun is almost 90 seasons young. Contrast the colors on this one to anything Nitro Special ed has posted for sale in the last two decades.



Can’t help but wonder why someone would prefer a gun in lesser condition to own and keep.

But, here we are.

Best,
Ted

Have, not buy.

I'm delighted to buy a gun that was a safe queen.


1974 Fabrique Nationale A2

Then use them.

I don't own any safe queens.

I like high condition guns and own quite a few, that said I completely see the advantage of buying a gun that is in excellent mechanical condition with some refinish work done for a lower dollar.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Yep. Seems simple to understand. Dunno what the hullabaloo is all about.

The typical game of "got ya" played on this board, certain people like to analyse others every post, try to find a vulnerability and then exploit it, claiming other posters are ignorant, stupid or not ideologically pure enough. It has been going on for quite some time, standing up to those weak minded individuals is usually reward by have your posts delayed.

There is no way that in my 30's I could have put the funds together for my Holland if it had been pristine, it isn't, I was able to swing it and it has made me a superb field gun, without so much as a hiccup.

There isn’t really any hullabaloo.

Your initial statement was you would rather have a refinished gun. Yes, there came many weasel words after that, and you never really did answer the actual question as to why the hell you, or, anyone else would prefer a refinished gun to a safe queen, a gun we would assume to be in pristine, unused condition.

A refinished gun ends up that way because the finish went away. A safe queen is that way because somebody didn’t put it to use, and saw that it was well kept. You actually said, without any qualifiers, that you prefer the former. The OP was looking for signs of refinish for the same reason we all do-it is a huge signpost that said gun may have lived a hard life, perhaps had modifications, or will have undue wear or problems that need to be addressed after purchase, on his dime.

It is, in fact, the clearest indicator of the need for the buyer to beware.

Best,
Ted