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Fantastic German dreiling in 20(65mm)X20(65mm)-6,5X70R

Lep Pozdrav,
Raimey
rse

Let us look carefully, and let's take into consideration:
- nice but practical useless rifle cartridge, extreme hassle to reload,
- cracked and glued buttstock, on both sides,
- oil damage at stock-system joints, still visible in spite of good repairs,
- re-cut checkering is clean, but sticks out like sore thumb, does not synch in style at all, icky,
- the ribs and the soldering work give me the creeps; I will count the shots until they are loose; you know how much work and $$$ it is to re-joint these lege artis?

In summa, the gun might bring 600 to 1000 €uros, if in top condition (nobody wants Drillinge in Germany anymore, the gun is thoroughly impractical for everyday hunting, and the few remaining collectors die out fast).
In *this* condition however, about 250 to 500, and 500 would be a happy price for the seller.

For the US market though, P.T. Barnum's dictum still applies. Hah.

Carcano

Now, I didn't say it was a good deal or value.

I agree there are some cracks in the head of the stock; glued I don't think. But the cracks are probably from a healthy diet of 70mm 20 bore cartridges?

Interesting that the bore diameter of 6,? has been over stamped to a 6,5 & then a 70 added below, probably in a reproof effort.


Lep Pozdrav,
Raimey
rse

Too, I think your assessment of the much maligned Alpine Cartridge just may be ill placed. It apparently has intrinsic value founded in the sleek & svelte design of the currently, again, much maligned Dreiling Platform as well as performance? For the cartridge to be pressed into service in the early years of the 20th Century, it had to be something more than just a fad. The Jury is still out on that for now.

Lep Pozdrav,
Raimey
rse

On the other hand, everyone and his dad have 3 "machine made" .243s, where is the fun in that. Once you have a suitable supply of cases, it is no harder to load 6.5x70R, than any other cartridge, it is easy to make .261" bullets from .264" spitzers.
Mike

Fine Fact there Ford and no soul, absolutely no soul or blood, sweat & toil in those Lifeless wands.

I was hoping you would show. I still have annealing on my to-do list and then on to shooting......



Lep Pozdrav,
Raimey
rse

I may come down your way or just call you to get the dope on „hand annealing“ a handful of cases.


Lep Pozdrav,
Raimey
rse

Raimey,
If you have the cases yet, also check the rims for diameter and thickness to be sure they chamber in your gun. You can call or come most any time.
Mike

Thanks Ford for you as typical kind Hospitality.

Yes, they chamber easily. Too, I have a handful of spent RWS Berdan primed sticks of brass & I can't seem to find my handy-dandy RCBS Berdan decapper as I have hidden it from myself. I think I have some Berdan Primers stuck back, but is it better to just convert the RWS Berdan cases or just use Berdan primers, if I can find them? I have a lot of spent 22 Shorts I could insert into the Primer Pocket and then just trim them off.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Raimsey,
Thanks for posting, That is an interesting drilling but well "over vaued" by the seller which should eliminate a sale. I agree with Mike that the 6.5x70r isn't hard to reload. It is in the class of the 25/35 (6.5x52r) which I have used for deer hunting. Unlike most German guns that are choked F & XF, this has a more usable choke for the quail. On the downside, it has the Triebel scope mount which hasn't been made since WW2.