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I am trying to identify if my Uggie is a Parker-Hale import to the UK, and/or the model number. It is a 12-28" Box. S1=1974
I see similar models out there, but they don't have the engraved fences.
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I can not seem to get the image to display. I also don't want to violate the rules here... Admin, LMK if I need to change this.
Do photos have to be hosted elsewhere?

If it's an Uggie sold by Parker Hale, it'll say that on the tops of the barrels, or on the rib.

As to model numbers, guns made for companies like Parker Hale didn't often fit other models made by Spanish makers exactly as the companies buying them usually wanted specific things.

The image won't display because the image link doesn't end in a file type the board software recognizes.

I can't tell from the picture if that's an ejector gun or not, but it's a basic Uggie boxlock

Fixed it for you:



The Parker Hale Uggys imported in the mid 1970s looked just like that. Lots of 26 inch barrels. That was the gospel preached in that era.

Best,
Ted

I have some Parker-Hale catalogues of about that vintage.

Is your gun an ejector or non-ejector?

Does it have chopper lump barrels?

I submitted a picture to the current Ugartechea company, and they responded by saying it was a Parker Hale, model 30E.
It does not say Parker Hale anywhere, but I did read that at one point they stopped adding the Parker Hale name to them.
It is an ejector model. The Model 30s I see have different engraving, so I am still not sure if that is correct. TY

it is an ejector model, but I am not sure how to tell if it is a true chpper lump barrels...Ty
I would love to see a catalog from around 1974 with it.

Thank you, Ted. Does it have to be a JPG?

You need to utilize a hosting service.

The big ones are complying with whatever anti free speech edicts are coming down the pipe in Europe, but, so far, IBB picture hosting is allowing them to see our pictures. To me, it is important that the Brits who hang around here, especially, get to see what we are talking about, their input is invaluable. Their government would seem to disagree.

Not sure how long this situation will endure.

Best,
Ted

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IMGBOX which was working this side of the pond, unlike Imgur which I used before, crashed a few weeks ago although their website says that they are working hard to restore service.

I will try IBB.

zumasporting, in my experience Ugartechea ejector models tend to have chopper lump barrels, whilst my plain 20 bore BLNE does not (but is still a nice little gun).

With chopper lump barrels the very fine hair-line joint can usually be seen running longitudinally along the back, base and front of each lump.

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Well, ImgBb works to the extent of providing a link rather than a picture displayed directly on the post. (Please feel free to do your magic, Ted).

The picture, which I found online when Googling GECO hammer 16 bore guns, is not an Ugarteches but a GECO - probably restocked - on sale in Estonia. I thought it was rather nicely done as these things go.

OK, understood. So you put it on the hosting platform for me, thanks
I will look at them for hosting. I look forward to more posts on this great site.

Adrian,

Magic, done. Good to see you posting, my friend.



Best,
Ted

Thanks Ted.

Just found that Postinages does the same.

Adrian,
It might be at the level of your IP service. Which, would mean the devils can literally see you coming with whatever content is verboten, in their collective opinion.

You may get tired of me asking if you guys can see what is posted. But, I will always try to get it up for you to see.

Best,
Ted

Thats a beautiful Stock!

So I have a pic of the lumps, as you call them, and I think I understand what you mean by that line now. I see a split line on both. So is that correct to say that this is a Chopper Lump Barrels version.

I just weighed her, and she is 7.4lbs. That is the heaviest SXS I have ever encountered.

Thanks, doublegunshop gang. I am fairly new and have been noodling in the SXS world this past year. I picked up several SXS models at this level that seem nice and in decent shape.
I went to the Southern Side by Side Championship & Exhibition in the Spring since I am in Charlotte, only 2 hours away. I went to learn about and see the event, not to shoot. It was amazing, so many beautiful side-by-sides.
I probably will not make any of the Fall SXS events; it is a bit farther, and it is the same week as the NC Dixie State ATA Trap tournament. I shoot this event.

Many, many years ago Cortland line company imported these guns and called them parker hale. I use to buy them form them. NIce little guns. Not sure why they quit. I think one of my friends has a 20 and a 28 ga for sale. Not sure if he still has them. We use to hunt together. He gave up hunting. I sold a lot of them and no issues. They were looking semi-recently for an importer in the US for their guns. Do not think it will happen.


PS: several years ago I contacted them direct and was interested in 28 ga guns. They said only able to make 12s. Probably different now.

JOhn Boyd
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Yes, those are chopper lump barrels.

The 73/74 PH catalogue lists guns by Merkel, Miroku and Victor Sarasqueta, but not Ugartechea.

The 83 and 88 Catalogues list guns by “one of Spain’s most respected gunmakers” ( I am certain that this is a reference to Ugartechea)and the equivalent model to yours , but with a bit less engraving, was the model 602 ( the model 603 being similar but with a Churchill rather than a concave rib).

To Ted's comment regarding 26" barrels.

Guns are subject to trends/fads just like all other American consumer goods. I lay much of the blame for the popularity of single triggers, beavertail forends and short barrels to Jack O'Connor's writing. Jack was very respected and had a lot of influence over the opinions of the gun buying public. This was well deserved in the field of rifles and he did much to help the riflemen of America. Lighter rifles, more accurate barrels and bullets etc.

Jack was a shotgunning amateur. By his own admission he never broke a 25 at 16 yard trap and I am not sure he ever broke a 25 at skeet. His upland hunting experience was long but thin. Yet he held forth on shotguns like he had somehow earned credibility in the field. He tried to make his shotguns like his rifles. ( I strongly suspect he was an aimer and poky shot but don't know of course.) It was a mistake. The public bought it hook line and sinker. Now the market is flooded with a lot of 1940 to 1990 guns of very undesirable specifications.

Not all his fault of course but his influence was definitely a significant factor in the way shotguns of that era were built.

It wasn’t just Jack. But, his crown was the biggest.


Jack was waxing poetic about the Winchester model 70, in .270 for North American game for much of my life. Years later, we found out he never really strayed from his familiar 30-06 for his own shooting.

My Dad was a serious rifleman, but, in spite of that he wasn’t as gifted with a shotgun. Ever. I imagine there are guys who do both disciplines well, they just weren’t in my orbit.

Best,
Ted

I don't even consider 7.4 lbs. heavy. I've got big duck gun S X Ss weighing up to 9.5 lbs. 😁

I haven't gotten my hands on a pigeon or a gun like that yet. Coming from Trap, where 9lbs is the average, it's strange to see so many at 5/6lbs. I am not a hunter, so I don't have that experience, but I do get that carrying a lunker all day in the field would not be fun.

It depends what it's used for.

A heavy gun in a duck blind, or on a clays course, is no big deal.

...it's a whole 'nother deal as a grouse gun, or even for prairie birds.