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Give it a rest Harry, you seem to be digging yourself a hole.
How's the weather in upstate NY, it is a great place to be in the autumn.
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If realty has set in, the realty is that the market believes these guns are undervalued.
Asking prices have no bearing on reality. Hard cash spent sets the market and expected quality as to condition and reality. It is true that junk brings junk prices, but quality is selling high. I agree, AGS. I have come to learn that anything Dirty Harry posts here regarding the double gun market and related subjects, one should assume the inverse is probably true. JR Just went on a well known Guns for sale site, Parker - 444 Fox - 196 Ithaca - 63 This tell Me a lot more guys are trying to dump their Parker's, than the guys that have Fox's or Ithaca's. By the way, I like all of them. Dirty Harry Link? I buy and sell a lot of classic guns and break down many more for parts. If those prices are real...., I'd buy them all.
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Just went on a well known Guns for sale site, Parker - 444 Fox - 196 Ithaca - 63 This tell Me a lot more guys are trying to dump their Parker's, than the guys that have Fox's or Ithaca's. By the way, I like all of them.
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I buy and sell a lot of classic guns and break down many more for parts. If those prices are real...., I'd buy them all.[/quote] Utah Shotgunner
Those numbers are how many of each make are for sale, not the ''Price'' of them.
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Ah, guns are for sale.
News at 6.
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im thinking sbs's in general are selling off due owners knowing the new generation doesnt want to own them and the ones who can work on them are fading away into the sunset. lose lose.....SELL.
heck, even krieghoffs are a hard sell these days.
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im thinking sbs's in general are selling off due owners knowing the new generation doesnt want to own them and the ones who can work on them are fading away into the sunset. lose lose.....SELL.
heck, even krieghoffs are a hard sell these days. +1 Deteriorating economy also has negative effect on discretionary spending, most members of "Epstein Class" who don't have to worry about rising price of energy meaning everything aren't into collecting fancy shotguns.
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I know a lot of people who are starting to sell Parkers (and other good makes). The fact is that to own a quality Parker collection is a serious investment and most of the top collectors are getting along in years. The bulk of them could afford to enjoy them the rest of their life but they choose to try to not dump the burden of disposal on their heirs while maximizing there return. Counter to the common doomsaying, they look at the current high prices as an incentive to do it now. There are a lot of Parkers on the market because there are likely more high grade and good condition Parkers on the market than maybe all the other US brands combined. Maybe not in total numbers but quality numbers.
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I know a lot of people who are starting to sell Parkers (and other good makes). The bulk of them could afford to enjoy them the rest of their life but they choose to try to not dump the burden of disposal on their heirs while maximizing there return. Counter to the common doomsaying, they look at the current high prices as an incentive to do it now. +1 Not just famed Parker Bros shotguns. One very popular internet site for fancy shotgun sellers/buyers currently lists 337 Winchester Model 21 for sale, the dumping has begun in earnest. The pool of prospective buyers is constantly shrinking. I don't blame the sellers, smaller profit is better than no profit at all.
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Reports of the death of the double gun market are greatly exaggerated.
The numbers of Parker’s or Winchester M21’s for sale are quite small in relation to the numbers produced and surviving. Fine guns are often owned by older shooters who can afford them. The market has always turned over due to age and death. I suspect that old editions of SHOTGUN NEWS or the later GUN LIST would show similar numbers 20-40 years ago. It is possible that due to INCREASED prices and availability of information relating to these prices that non shooting heirs move collections at a higher rate than in the past.
Also, fine gun owners today are often well aware that their heirs are not in a position to market their collections at favorable prices so they do so prior to passing. I suspect that in the past fine gun owners had little more interest in the value of their guns than they did their family silver or Packard automobile.
The internet has educated sellers and freed up some inventory no doubt.
Quality will retain value. Sale of QUALITY shotguns will ebb and flow just as other art forms do. The trends will be upward.
The education of the buying public will lower the prices of low quality guns this will include worn or abused guns, low grade hardware store guns, about all American guns other than Parker or Winchester 21’s. High grade Parker’s, small bore Parker’s and pristine M 21’s will continue to climb. Fox, LC Smith, Ithaca, LeFever and various other guns have been overpriced for many years. The cult like following of a couple of authors (who incidentally owned no fine guns apparently) pushed prices beyond reason for some poorly designed and cheaply built American guns. The “high grade” examples of these guns are exactly like the lesser grades beneath the surface. Stocks and springs break in the same places at similar rates. Expect some correction in those to continue.
The vast majority of doom and gloom I hear comes from people who don’t own fine guns and seem resentful of those who do. They appear to relish the plummeting prices they predict. Sorry, it’s just not happening in truly fine guns.
In no particular order the market will be sustained or increased for pristine guns, small bore guns, long barreled guns, high grade guns. By name think Boss, Holland and Purdey. American guns Parker and Winchester M 21. There are other fine English guns but they will almost certainly drop regardless of quality.
I also wonder why we focus so much on price. The cost of a truly fine gun seldom exceeds the cost of a couple of first rate shooting trips. The buyers of motorcycles, boats, SUV’s, motorhomes and other luxury items of a recreational nature expect rapid depreciation and certainly get it. Fine guns will outperform these items which is not saying much of course.
BTW, I’m looking for a 32” Parker 28 bore gun in B grade or higher in the event I’m wrong it should be easy to find.
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If you find a 32” Parker 28 of B-grade and higher get out your checkbook. It might be easier finding hobby horse poop or unicorn horn. Someone here has The Parker Story to look up how many were made.
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