Thanks, Ryan. It's amazing how much Michael's gun room looks like mine. The two level gun racks were his idea and I made my racks just like his except mine have open ends at the muzzles. Michael told me that he had to confine the muzzles because of the earthquake activity in Alaska. He said if he had open ends, his guns would all be on the floor in a pile. Thanks so much for sending me that thread. Now I will go on the hunt for old emails and thread messages from Michael. I brought the old thread to the top, title "Remembering Michael Petrov". Bill Murphy in Maryland