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Originally Posted by craigd
Do me a quick favor, explain to your buddy lsd roads what it's like to walk into the middle of a barren detroit, with a few thousand feet of elevation change, and crumbling rock slides, and then walk back out, humping an elk.

No explanation needed low-T craigd. But if you can’t cut the mustard…


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Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by craigd
Do me a quick favor, explain to your buddy lsd roads what it's like to walk into the middle of a barren detroit, with a few thousand feet of elevation change, and crumbling rock slides, and then walk back out, humping an elk.

No explanation needed low-T craigd. But if you can’t cut the mustard…




Detroit is a great place to get plenty of experience with the wild country that still exists in the United States. I’ve lived my entire life in Montana hunted everything from the highest mountains to the lowest flat lands. Montana has the most diverse areas to hunt in the lower 48. I’ve been through it all and I love it.

The problem is this isn’t about putting more roads into roadless areas. It’s allowing access to those roads and closed off areas that have existed in the past. Selfish people that claim if you’re not in shape to hike need to be eliminated from the opportunity to hunt and enjoy the outdoors. When you’ve got no understanding of the loss of mobility, bad knees and joints and all you can say is “ you can’t cut the mustard” you aren’t allowing all the public into public places.

The reality of life is the older you get the tougher is to do those physical things. I’ve had surgeries all over the place worn out knees got total knee replacement and that didn’t happen from sitting on the couch. It happened from being out in the outdoors, hiking, hunting, wading, fishing, doing all those things to wear those joints out. Getting access into already roaded areas that have been closed off is not a bad thing. And being in this part of the country and seeing the game and realizing that the myth that motorized vehicle scare game out of the country is ridiculous. Improper off-road vehicles and and destruction from motorcycles ATVs even horses is unacceptable, but to sit there and try and claim all the public land is public, but not allow all the public into it is nothing but selfish!
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Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by craigd
Do me a quick favor, explain to your buddy lsd roads what it's like to walk into the middle of a barren detroit, with a few thousand feet of elevation change, and crumbling rock slides, and then walk back out, humping an elk.

No explanation needed low-T craigd. But if you can’t cut the mustard…



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Detroit is a great place to get plenty of experience with the wild country that still exists in the United States. I’ve lived my entire life in Montana hunted everything from the highest mountains to the lowest flat lands. Montana has the most diverse areas to hunt in the lower 48. I’ve been through it all and I love it.

The problem is this isn’t about putting more roads into roadless areas. It’s allowing access to those roads and closed off areas that have existed in the past. Selfish people that claim if you’re not in shape to hike need to be eliminated from the opportunity to hunt and enjoy the outdoors. When you’ve got no understanding of the loss of mobility, bad knees and joints and all you can say is “ you can’t cut the mustard” you aren’t allowing all the public into public places.

The reality of life is the older you get the tougher is to do those physical things. I’ve had surgeries all over the place worn out knees got total knee replacement and that didn’t happen from sitting on the couch. It happened from being out in the outdoors, hiking, hunting, wading, fishing, doing all those things to wear those joints out. Getting access into already roaded areas that have been closed off is not a bad thing. And being in this part of the country and seeing the game and realizing that the myth that motorized vehicle scare game out of the country is ridiculous. Improper off-road vehicles and and destruction from motorcycles ATVs even horses is unacceptable, but to sit there and try and claim all the public land is public, but not allow all the public into it is nothing but selfish!


Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is, listening to Texans..John Steinbeck
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Originally Posted by SKB
I have seen enough war and believe our intelligence agencies assessment that Iran was far, far from being capable of building a bomb.

Our intelligence agencies? Which ones would those be? The same ones that were advising Trump that the enriched plutonium IS there? They have even identified the location of it, in country.

Or would it be some Democrat intel operatives lying for political gain, and their own monetary gain?

It would be totally out of character for Trump to start a war over oil. Anyone that's studied his modus operandi can see that, unless they are leftist biased.


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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
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I have seen enough war and believe our intelligence agencies assessment that Iran was far, far from being capable of building a bomb.

Our intelligence agencies? Which ones would those be? The same ones that were advising Trump that the enriched plutonium IS there? They have even identified the location of it, in country.

Or would it be some Democrat intel operatives lying for political gain, and their own monetary gain?

It would be totally out of character for Trump to start a war over oil. Anyone that's studied his modus operandi can see that, unless they are leftist biased.

Those are the same intelligence agencies that Trump didn't believe when they informed him of Putin interfering in our elections.

Iran was nowhere close to able to make a bomb Stan. I think the Epstein files were a bigger concern than oil for Trump and the war certainly distracted from those uncomfortable revelations.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/iran-was-nowhere-close-to-a-nuclear-bomb-experts-say/

Since 2001 the US has been at war all but maybe 5 years, all brought to us by poorly thought out GOP choices. We never should have went to Iraq and nation building was a folly in Afghanistan.

War should be the last resort, but here we are, again.

This mess that Trump created with Iran was completely avoidable and was a huge mistake.

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Originally Posted by SKB
.....Bill, you 100% correct about development, once it happens, there is no going back.

Another, who will simply not read the order, but pulled out the big shovel.

Quick question, you have high confidence in an America that reflects your aoc/mamdami country, in to years. Exactly, who is going to invest in this fabrication of yours, only to have it cancelled. But hey, the wording of the order says, one goal is invasive species control. Grizzly season, lol, but only on horseback.

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Originally Posted by craigd
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.....Bill, you 100% correct about development, once it happens, there is no going back.

Another, who will simply not read the order, but pulled out the big shovel.

Quick question, you have high confidence in an America that reflects your aoc/mamdami country, in to years. Exactly, who is going to invest in this fabrication of yours, only to have it cancelled. But hey, the wording of the order says, one goal is invasive species control. Grizzly season, lol, but only on horseback.

Sober up Sunshine, or have someone translate to English. I have no clue what the gibberish you wrote means.

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Originally Posted by SKB
....Nah, conservation was once a thing among conservatives.

Some dude named Roosevelt was instrumental in establishing the idea some time back.

Big help Marlon, you know your left wing US of A is the death of a great nation by a thousand cuts.

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....Nah, conservation was once a thing among conservatives.

Some dude named Roosevelt was instrumental in establishing the idea some time back.

Big help Marlon, you know your left wing US of A is the death of a great nation by a thousand cuts.

That's Jim to you Sunshine.

Left of you but hardly left, confusing for a sheep such as yourself it seems.

I hear those 5K checks will be sent out in wool envelopes, just hold tight while Americans are put back to work knitting them.

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Originally Posted by lonesome roads
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Craig, if you think punching roads through healthy habitat makes no difference, take up golf. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

I see more deer and those filthy Canadian invaders (Canada goose) during a round of golf than I ever see in the wild. I do tend to agree with you on the roads though. If you can’t hack humping through the wilderness, tough. Take up pickleball.


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Cool macho attitude and all, but, there exist laws that provide for everyone to experience the wilderness, along with other aspects of American life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Act_of_1990

You don’t have to like it, but, everybody should be able to get to see it. We have wheelchair friendly portages in the BWCA and handicapped accessible latrines on the Apostle Islands.

But, we have folks who are also too dense to see that logging benefits more than one or two species, ignorance isn’t technically stupidity…

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