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Bob, this past deer season has been kind to 'em, they've been feasting on the gut piles. I've taken to shooting them with my Kimber and Eley sub-sonic hollowpoints. Not a twitch, and they fall from the trees like a crumpled kite.
Come try your hand and gun, when you get back to the Heartland!
They'll be waiting for you!
If you let them get a belly full, they taste the sweeter!
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Pics would be nice... 
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Thorny,
Lead was banned at 21 of Missouri's conservation areas for ALL shotgun hunting, including doves, rabbits, upland birds, squirrels and turkeys. For 2008 another lead free shot ban will encompass dove hunting on DOC lands statewide. So far, Minnesota is lead free only for dove on state lands. Which, leaves ruffed grouse, pheasants, sharptail grouse, prairie chickens, spruce grouse, (these are the birds Missouri, hunter friendly as it might be, is woefully lacking in) and small game as leaded stock here in unfriendly for hunting, when compared with Missouri, I guess, Minnesota.
Pigs will fly before lead is ever legally fired at a duck again in North America, or an 8 gauge is permitted for same. Liquid sunshine being piped into a body cavity, plain and simple.
There are quite a few clays course in the United States that are now, or will be, in the next five years, completely lead free. California, and Arizona, pushed by environmentalists, will be lead free for all hunting, California potentially being leadfree in 2008, with the bill to outlaw lead bullets sitting on Gov. Schwarzenegger's desk as we type.
So, explain to me, where is this time of which you speak?
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Ted, these 21 "Nontoxic by rule," areas are considered "wetlands" by the Missouri Conservation Dept.
You know, for duck hunting and other game.
See MCD online "Nontoxic shot only rule."
As long as private land isn't in the mix - I won't worry about such things.
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Thorney if you read your reloading manual it will state in BIG BOLD LETTERS that you never tamper with a loaded shell!!!!
Ted's right and well ahead of the curve here, we had our fling with the older classics now its over. Before we just had to put them away during waterfowl but could use them everywhere else, now with more and more pressure being exerted on lead use, all other types of hunting may now be banned. The price for any of these non-toxic rounds hasn't lowered since they were introduced and steel is looking more and more like the future. Except that if this is the reality of the future the classics won't be there.
All the best
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Bob, this past deer season has been kind to 'em, they've been feasting on the gut piles.
LG any of those gut piles from you?You where going try that deer hunting this season with that gold plated winne,lets see some big buck pics and a happy LG!
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No guttin' by me Dave, my neighbors had their usual shooting party of family, friends and hanger-ons!
Didn't even see a buck.
The gut piles are just across the property line - but the crows are everywhere...and getting fatter by the day!
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I think Ted gives in way too easy!
...but anyway, if steel is going to be the thing, I'll go buy a steel shooting autoloader, and make a shrine for my Beesley.
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Well, if by giving in, you mean shooting steel, keep this in mind-for the past twenty seasons, or so, I have rubbed shoulders with duck hunters at the Carlos Avery WMA, just north of the metro area. They were shooting steel, by law, at ducks, and I was hunting pheasants, well within the law, with lead. Same area. Did it just a few weeks past. Got my rooster. Always wondered, exactly what was being saved, but, went about my business, all the same.
I shoot steel when told to. I'm just beginning to see that I will be told to do that, much more often, real soon. All of us will. In fact, my Darne, with a backbore and opening of the chokes to slim and none, was made steel ready, by someone other than me. But, if it were a 28, I doubt being steel ready would save it from the fact it wouldn't be effective for gamebirds, period. The fact it is a 12 will make it at least useful.
I think you are kidding yourself when you say, "if steel is going to be the thing..."
Steel, is almost the thing, already. And, it seems to me, the Beesley was enshrined pretty much the day you bought it. Frozen ammunition, and all.
Best,
Ted
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