Looks like they're asking $75 per box of 25 hulls, that's primed brass with "permanent" base wads, firing pins, wadding, and a plastic storage case.
They noted that they have a patent on shells with firing pins sticking out of them,
:rolleyes:
another patent on the base wad they're using.
I was told that there is no such thing as pinfire loading data and that there was no such thing included with these shells, but that they do make 209 primed brass, that it comes with load data, and that they -themselves- use said *smokeless* load data to load for thier own personal pinfire guns which reportedly consume thousands of rounds a year. When asked how may reloads the base wads would take, I was just told that when the cases wear out you just throw them away and buy new ones.
They don't seem to think black powder is a viable propellant, and stated that they don't run black in thier guns. It was suggested that the pinfire loads would run lower pressures due to the decreased flash of a percussion cap compared to a 209 primer.
For three bucks a pop, primed with a percussion cap and firing pin and set up with a base wad and supplied with wadding, the price doesn't seem too bad for someone who can't do it themselves with existing resources. I'd be hesitant to take loads generated for 209 primers with smokeless powder and run them with percussion caps in my pinfire guns. I'm interested to see how well thier "permanent" base was arrangement holds up to black powder too.
I'll let others do the experimenting with thier money in thier guns and off thier own shoulders. If this product proves well to hold up to black powder I might get interested. Bore rifle loads are different than shotgun loads.
Working nitro for black loads up for a pinfire side by side double bore rifle isn't anything I want to fiddle with at this point, black works great and I'm not having any trouble with black powder. With Bore Butter soaked wadding, the fouling's soft and neutral, easy to swab and it doesn't make my guns rust.
I don't even need to clean my rifles between days of shooting Goex black powder loaded with Bore Butter soaked saddle felt wads. That combination of powder and lubed wads, when run with a milk carton cup wad creates an excellent gas seal, getting me very consistent ignition and velocities with undersized lead roundball.
Again, for three bucks a pop they might be just the trick for those wanting to shoot thier pinfire shotguns but aren't or can't set up to do it themselves, especially if they'll work out with black powder.
As this thread was listed in the Double Rifles, Paradox Guns and Gauge Rifles department, I'd warn anyone interested in using this product in thier pinfire bore rifles against using load data *worked up with smokeless powder and 209 primers in shotguns with wads and shot* in thier rifled pinfire guns with solid projectiles and percussion caps...
Things could get messy.
Same goes for black powder and thier "permanent" plastic base wads in rifled tubes with solid projectiles -or- in smooth bores with shot and wads. Be careful with that stuff. I've seen and heard what burning black powder will do to plastic reloading comonents.
--Tinker
