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Tim - see my post here http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...c02791c79a71dbe

Km

London, like many of the European cities are being over-run with emigrants - they risk the loss of their heritage, and whats London without it's heritage.
The long term is not being there.

Lowell-

I bet that's what the Indians said when white guys stole the land you're living on today.


OWD

I think you just confirmed what Lowell said. The Indians did not go down without a fight either.

KM,

Took and look. Great anecdote, likely explains why it's still a leasehold!

Regards, Tim

OWD, keeping one's like minded heritage is reoccurring theme in many places. The melting pot days are over - these new arrivals are just looking for a new place to stay with their old heritage and traditions shoved down your throat.
...and for many, this doesn't fly.

Lowell is exactly right.

And I'm am 1000% sick of the liberal-induced guilt trip over the Indians' (i.e. 'Native Americans') plight that gets force fed to all of us.

People have been saying that BS about immigrants forever and everywhere.

I'm sure the Angles said it about the Saxons 1600 hundred years ago just like New England Yankees said it about the Irish in the 19th century.

And Gregsy, you feel guilty because you know it's the truth.


OWD

What's the truth?

Let's see....you have millions of acres of rich land inhabited by a primitive people WHO HADN'T EVEN INVENTED THE WHEEL and who had done little if anything to claim ownership or, more importantly defend and protect their land. They loved nothing more than killing each other and had done nothing to unite against intruders.

So basically they were ripe for what happened. If it hadn't been the Europeans it would have been from the North or South or....

They were here before us but they came from somewhere else, too.

The USA, like any land, only belongs to its people for as long as they can defend it. Did you think we spend billions on defense for kicks?

I don't have an ounce of guilt. Read some history and you'll see what happened here has happened for centuries everywhere.

Not sure if LG is trying to start a row, but his comments above are ill-informed and distasteful to me. How can an immigrant adopt a “heritage” when by definition it is inherited? Integration of new immigrants is not something that can happen overnight, nor is it a one-sided event.
Bigots who state that immigrants cause locals to lose their heritage feed that possibility through their closed-mind apartheid attitudes.
What is London’s “heritage”? Originally a cluster of wattle and daub huts, it became a Roman fort about 50 BC (Italian), then a 4 c Saxon stronghold (mainly Danish), followed by 11th century Normans (French). The Tudors were Welsh; then it was the residence of Scottish kings (James I etc.,) and there was a big French influence following the Restoration. Then came the Germans / Hanoverians in the shape of the Georges. They, like all the other interlopers before them, brought their own followers and retinues (look at the surnames in London today.) Add to that the Lombards (more Italians, even have a street named after them) and the Huguenots (French and some German.) Not to mention the Irish who went there for centuries.

During the last few years Ireland has had an influx of people mainly from Eastern Europe. They are learning our culture, language and customs. However, it will be at least the next generation before they become integrated in the true sense, and I have no issues with that. My own family was English, came to Ireland over 350 years ago and since then have played an active role in the affairs of the Irish State.
Methinks Mr. G would retain the lofty position he aspires too if he left the farm a bit more frequently, with both his mind and his eyes open.... and his mouth shut.
Km.