I also collect sbts. We need to start a group just for us. When I started to collect them, everyone told me to keep going for the Parker Bros., Fox, LC Smith s x s but I like the sbts. I too would like to get a Fox. It is the only one I am missing. I also agree that the Flues engraving on the Ithacas are better than the latter Knicks. I have both in the 4e and you can see the difference. I was lucky enough to get a 7E Ithaca Flues and that is really nice. Keep us posted on how you do and if you find one that you don't want, please let me know. Thanks, Frank