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Story,
Thanks...I sort of didn't have that patent (DE39832 16June1887) by Ernst Schlegelmilch (only) ...if you want to see it, you can also refer to US356378 on Google patents...it's exactly the same patent only filed in the US...it's for a coil spring gun lock...and worth taking a look at...thanks again

Recoil:

Amazing charcoal(?) casecolors. Beautiful longarm, with quality pleasing to the eyes. No, it was probably a mistake on my part to inquire about the "stairstep" receiver on a drilling because the watertable has to accept the lower or rifle barrel which would have an outset. My watertable is stamped "PAT. NIMROD - VERSCHLUSS" and there are the letters "M. G." on the rear lower step(I don't know the proper term or whatelse to call it). My 16 bore double shotgun has a rear rifle sight, an intermediate ivory/white bead and front ivory/white bead. And another interesting feature is the tool held on the lock which is to remove the mainspring(if I remember correctly). I may have to take a lock off to refresh my memory.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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Thanks for the compliments Raimey, it is in quite good condition. A WWII bringback, I bought it over the net from a gentleman in TX and it's everything he said it was. Dieter Apel photographed it for his database at the Vintners a few years back because he had never seen a safety like that.

I've seen drillings with 27-28" barrels (mine is 27") and ones with 23-24". I've always felt the longer barreled ones were made for hunters whose primary quarry was birds and the shorter for those whose primary quarry was not.
Rob

Found some evidence of T-S shotguns coming from the factory in 70mm.

http://www.lot-tissimo.com/de/cmd/d/o/141.62916/auk/53/

Doppelflinte Nimrod,
Kal. 16/70. Nr. 36555. Originale teils dünne Brünierung. An den Läufen bezeichnet "Nimrod Gewehr-Fabrik, Thieme & Schlegelmilch Suhl". Läufe leicht matt. Laufhakenverriegelung mit Greenerverschluss. Das Kastenschloss und der Abzugsbügel mit Ranken und Tierstückgravuren versehen, Reste der ehemaligen Bunthärtung sind noch zu erkennen. Nussholzschaft mit Fischhautverschnitt (einige Druckstellen). Pistolengriff. Deutsche Backe. Hornschaftkappe. Länge Abzug/Schaftkappe 36, Gesamtlänge 114 cm.
Erwerbsscheinpflichtig.
Zustand: II

This description comes from Hermann Historica Auction 53 Catalogue. In my experience Hermann's gun descriptions are not very reliable and I take them with a grain of salt. - Jani

Duely noted.

I did recently find this clue -

Interesting safeconstructions
Christoph Funk’s adress was Göthaer Strasse 18, Suhl. That piece of information is interesting, because Thieme & Schlegelmilch Nimrod Gewehrfabrik, was located on the same adress. The owner was Alfred Funk, who had taken over the company from Ernst Schlegelmilch at around 1930.

Thieme & Schlegelmilch became famous for developing the Anson & Deeley action system from Great Britain This system had a better spring-geometry with the result of reducing the trigger pull of approximately 1.5 kg against at least 2 kg as normal. The pull-off weight in both A&D and Blitz-systems were then and to day a problem for drilling-makers. As a security measure you have to rely on a very high pull-off weight to avoid, that the first shot releases the second and a heavy og inexact pull-off is the result. Most drillings has a hair-trigger for more accurately shooting the rifle barrel.

Thieme & Schlegelmilch was in other words an innovative gunmaker and so was Christoph Funk, who invented one of the most interesting safeconstructions seen on a drilling. The safe blocks all three tumblers and can be found on Funk’s ”Jubiläums-Drilling 1835 – 1935”. The bullet-barrel is secure until the selector between the right shot barrel and the rifle barrel is activated and this feature also prevents from doubling. Fredrik Franzén – Scandinaviens expert on weapons for hunting, writes in his book ”Fina gamla vapen” e.g. ”Fine old weapons”: ”This drilling could presumably be dropped on the floor without any risk of an accidental discharge”.

http://www.bryndumlund.dk/index.php?id=3