Another bit..... Had a BSS 12 ga for a while that the drop was too slight. Wonderful for trap but couldn't shoot high brass comfortably and gave to my brother. The Elsie will probably follow suit. Will try to take a peek at more before I take something home. I do like the 20s. The Merkel is the only modern gun I have picked up that has fit well thus far. Would hate to restock most of what I have.