I used to love to reload Gun Clubs, Larry. They seemed to last longer than the AAs. And I had hundreds of empty hulls. When my son and I were both shooting our Beretta 686s they were great. He still shoots his but I upgraded to my Ljutic trap gun. They have a history of having a weak ejector/extractor spring. The Gun Clubs brass isn't really brass. It is steel. So when they are fired, they won't contract back to their normal size and with the weak spring in the Ljutic, I have to beat them out. Since I have access to so many AAs, STSs that I have picked up over the years, it is just easier to use them. But the Gun Clubs are a great shell. Maybe guys should check into them, too. Good luck.