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Shooting lead bullets...

Well put.

Chopper, the AR has never been a "Sportsman" only publication.

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The job of the NRA, one of the most powerful lobbies in America, is to influence legislators over a wide range of concerns, including the lead ban. It recognizes as do most members that wining and dining legislators to revoke no-lead is futile. Rightly or wrongly, lead is being removed from everything; majority will is demanding it. Expending resources fighting lost causes diminishes NRA's credibility and mandate to protect our fraternity's interests. I've adjusted my thinking to no-tox for the remainder of my life and the sacrifices needed to pay for it.

yes lead is a natural element but so are radium, mercury, uranium, ect....where it is, how it got there, and weather it poses a health risk to man or animals is where we run into potential problems....besides there are viable alternatives to lead that pose much less environmental risk...rock salt comes to mind when reading HomelessjOe....he he he

Bismuth shot production in some poor south american country is needed,and setup by ATK or OLIN
Put some of those profits back into it for the future.

Most people have no contextual concept of scale. THe whole lead "problem" is overblown in the vast majority of instances. Concedeing defeat on the argument because a lot of people do not truly understand the issue and it would be too much work to properly educate them is always a bad choice . ANy time you start playing "not to lose" and stop playing "to win," you are toast.

Chopper, I agree with you about the AR. But, it goes deeper than that. All the pistols and military weapons that seem to be the main focus of the NRA with shotguns, black powder and other shooting sports pushed off the page is hurting more than the lead issue. Unfortunately, the NRA is seen by the majority of Americans as a radical fringe organization. From that post, often an organization can do as much to harm its own interests as to help them. The group itself, and its agenda, become a target.

Much as I personally believe the 2nd Amendment was written intending for the individual citizens to keep and bare military arms, it is a hard sell to Americans who are sick of the highest gun violence rates in the civilized world.

Alas, taking a measured approach has never been in the cards for the NRA. I am not so sure if the NRA "gets involved in the lead ban issue" it will help.

I don't like what I just said, but I think it is true.

Jake

Ok I guess that I'll weigh in on the lead contamination issue. It is a falacy. Lead is a very stable element. It does not leach into the soil or water, unless the soil or water is either very alakline or very acid. If the soil is fertile it is neither, and the water would have to come out of a mine to be able to leach lead. It will develope a thin white crust and do nothing more.

Basically lead stays where you put it, and not much else.

Many US goverment reports on this. I have read some of them, very dry reading I might add. It is a ploy to play on the hysterics of the population.

I don't know how many on this board remember the trap & skeet club that was right on Lakeshore drive in Chicago. It was shut down by "enviromentalists" many years ago on assertion that all the lead shot was polluting the lake. A study was done AFTER the club was shut down and it was shown that there were NO adverse effects whatsoever as the shot had settled deeply into the muddy bottom of the lake. My point here is antigunners will use any aproach imaginable to grab your guns and they don't care what type they are. If they ever manage to ban black guns they'll be after another type before the ink is dry on the paper. Wake up and look at whats happened in Great Britian!! Since there are ,for all practical purposes, no live firearms in the hands of the public anymore they are now going after deactivated ones.
Jim

It'll take a huge campaign and overwelming scientific evidence to overturn the current lead bans, IMO. The current attacks on lead firearm projectiles is being waged on several other fronts now. CA just enacted the ban, covering most of the lower half of the state, on the field usage of all firearm projectiles (except shotguns) made from lead. I believe the evidence used to sway the legislature was the death of less than a half dozen condors resulting from lead ingestion (or so it was stated), possibly a couple. I fully expect that my favorite quail patch that is within "condor country" will have a lead ban on shotguns as well in the not so distant future. I think our legislature would ban peeing in the bushes if someone said it made condors sick.