doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Scott with unusual lifter thingees....

Would like to see the rest of the lock plate,...looks like it might be similar to a Lancaster action with the flat spring.
The main spring is a long tapered piece of steel that runs throgh the action bar, when the gun is closed the two pins are pushed down by the bbls and put tension on the spring cocking the gun....I've only seen inside one such gun, was quite interesting, like this one

http://doublegunshop.com/roberts/fr_216close.jpg


CJ

The action is based on Perks patents of 1878 and 1886. Scott used this action on side lock guns made between 1890 and 1897. The action features cocking rods retained by screws in the water table.
From 1898 to 1935 the Perks action was replaced by the Rogers patent action of 1881.This info; was obtained direct from Scott,s management in 1984.
For many years I shot a; Scott Monte Carlo "B" #51173 [ Made 1893] that was built on the Perks patent. It was exactly as seen in the photo,s. I had absolutely no problems with the action.

Roy, sorry to be a bit thick...But is their purpose then to cock the Gun on closing?
Would there be any help from them when opening the Gun?
cheers
Franc

I think that part of the purpose is to have the stored up energy in the spring assist in opening the gun. You compress the spring at closing which cocks the gun and also build up this energy to help in opening the gun after it is fired. It is a two stage function as I see it. We just think of one stage at a time. But ICBW, again .

The British Shotgun Vol; 2 by Baker & Crudgington, pages 75 & 108 discusses the combination of Perks patent #1968 an Scott Patent 727 of 1885. The objective being to provide assisted opening of the gun.
The Perks patent used cocking rods sliding diagonally upwards from the knuckle to the lockwork, the locks being cocked as the barrels are raised. The Scott patent added compression springs around the cocking rods, combined with "L"shape levers guided in the cocking rods and the action bar. The energy stored in the springs on closing being released when the gun was opened thus through the "thingee" [ one end of the lever] the barrels are given a boost to open!

Roy, thanks for your fine explanation. That is the type of research I really like to see on this board. Daryl

Sorry, but I'm afraid I was a bit obtuse in my first post. And I don't mean to mean a know it all, either.

However, those things sticking up from the action aren't not there to open the gun. They're there to push the cocking arms out of the way of the tumblers as the gun closes. This was done to prevent misfires.

Those things are not driven or assisted by springs, either. The only thing that moves them is the action of falling/rising of the bbls and the tipping of the cocking arms (I had the bbls off the gun, so I'm certain of this). While they probably help the gun open, this is not their true intent.

I have seen this feature before. It was on a massive H&H Royal double rifle. I've never seen it on a shotgun, though.

I was wondering if anyone had ever seen them on another one.

BTW: the gun shown is a 20th century Scott Monte Carlo B. I'm pretty certain it's on a Rogers-patent action. Whoever ordered it maybe have wanted one more way to be sure his gun was going to work right in the pigeon ring.

Thanks. Sorry for the mixup. I'll try for clearer writing next time.

OWD

OWD, maybe you could give us some clues about what you think are the answers to the question. Why do you now have more info ? Do you have the gun in hand ? If so, get some photos of what your are thinking of.

Best source of "thingees" is likely to be Gunpartscorp.com.

Yeah - I had the gun in my hands last weekend. I took the pictures in the first post and they show all there is to see.

Other than what I mentioned, those things do not affect any other feature or function of the gun.

I may try and get some more pics soon so we can take a closer look at how everything works.

I also handled and inspected the H&H Royal DR that I mentioned. That gun was built on a standard Royal action.


Thanks

OWD