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I just bought a Scott with those things. I happen to have it completely apart now for cleaning. There are no springs and the rods don't assist in self opening. Those protrusions just slide the cocking rod forward on closing the action.

I would be happy to email someone some pictures if they would be willing to post them.

Here are the pictures HB sent:







Pete

Here are the pictures.

Pete

If the protrusions slide the cocking rod back toward the hammers on closing, the cocking rods must push against the mainspring actuated assembly until fully cocked. It would seem that then , when the gun is cocked, it could be opened without any spring pressure on the rods, and thus, none on the Protrusions. But, when one or both barrels are fired, it would seem that the springs would then engage the rods somehow, and the rods would then put pressure on the protrusions so that the protrusions would press against the underside of the barrel flats, and act as opening assistance. Am I missing something ?

Am I missing something ?
Daryl; Hard to say without a real examination, but yes I believe you are. I think the hammers would not contact the rods upon falling, the purpose for moving them forward. Since the rods are already pulled forward (by the pins) if the hammers contacted them this would stop or cushion the firing pin blow causeing misfires. Upon opening the "Forend" pushes the rods backwards against the hammers, thus their springs. The pins would be simply cammed up by the rods but under no spring tension, at least that's the way I am visulizing them, thus no assistance in opening.

Miller, I changed the term "forward" on my post and substituted "back toward the hammers". Forward may have been confusing. Does that change your thought ? Maybe I'm wrong to think that the depressing of the protrusions pushes the rod "back" into the hammer assembly and cocks it.

miller is correct my scott has two rollers in the forend when the gun is closed the cocking rods are pushed by the two buttons on the water table toward the forend and rollers. this is so the cocking rod do not come in contact with the tumbler when fired.when you open the gun the cocking rods push up the buttons.there are no springs.my scott is a 1892 monte carlo B

MC, interesting. Now I understand. The protrusions sole use , then, is to get the cocking rod out of the way of the soon to be fired tumbler ?

Yup. And by doing so, they help prevent misfires.

I was told that this is why these things usually appear on dangerous game DRs.

OWD

BTW: HB - thanks for the pics. Now those things made sense. Please tell us some more about the gun.

I'm interested in seeing the drawing of the Perkes patent because in Dig's book on page 88, he states: "In other barrel-cocking designs(such as the original 1883 Holland & Holland 'Royal' and the Perkes patent used by Boss for their early hammerless guns), the barrels may cock one lock by the falling of the barrels and the other by the closing motion, though the later 'Royal' abandoned this complication in favour of cocking both locks via the drop of the barrels."

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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