The loaded stuff is sill lingering on some dealers' shelves. I bought some 3.5" 12ga, 1 5/8 #5. Paid $24 for 10, which is right on $24/lb or $1.50 per ounce. I plan to cut them open and load a couple boxes of 16ga. They'll be $2 a pop, but they'll be my idea of perfect.