Fred has nailed the first one. I have one of these empty hulls sitting next to me as I type this.
The slug is 3oz and flat on both ends. Plastic Industrial 8's seem to be more common now, but the one I have here was picked up a customer site (Portland Cement Manufacturer) earlier this week with about 50 others. I also got my hands on about 1000 plastic 8ga hulls.
The one I have in hand is marked "Winchester Super X CE8S Magnum" & "Industrial LEAD"
There should be a slightly thicker part to the brass just ahead of the rim. This is to keep these HIGH PRESSURE shells from being chambered in old hunting shotguns.
They are used exactly as Fred describes to shoot "clinker" cement off the walls of the kiln. The guns are not anything like a "normal" shotgun. I have seen them mounted on a tripod and hanging from a cable. They are not shot from the shoulder as a 3oz slug at high velocity would knock you a** over teakettle. I would estimate the weight of one of these guns on a tripod as over 100lbs. There is a new Remington (still in the crate) at my customer site that we set up once to see how it worked. Definately more of an industrial tool than a bird gun.
The guns are not sold, but are "loaned" to the end user when they agree to use a companies ammunition. This customer uses Winchester ammo which is why the Remington gun sits unused. Eventually I suspect it will be returned to Remington.
As to the .410, I have no information for you.
Last edited by Utah Shotgunner; 11/04/06 05:37 PM.
