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Check out LC Smith collection on Gunbroker and look at the mess this guy made on these guns. I know this is old hat, but what a crime. Did someone give out the ED 1's torch mans phone number. Randy

If you are talking about the guy from Fulton NY, those don't look torched to me.

I agree, the "torch" ain't that good. Those look original or very old reworks.

I was going to say that they look like cyanide case coloring. But some thing strange is going on.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=59887349

Picture #8


How do you not case color the watertable?

Pete

Those guns are as shiny as a waxed fruit and just about as original. Why is it that the stocks have multiple areas of dents and scratches but the finish is perfect and very shiney? Why is it that the metal is proud of the wood on several guns? I do not care when or if they were refinished. Since I hate restocking sidelocks and Smiths seem to need as much restocking as any three box locks I am not in the market for a fine Smith that looks like it has had Amorall rubbed over all the surfaces.

Anyone who buys a gun for its "origianl condition" over the internet needs to get a a brain transplant. Pictures do lie, and digital ones lie the best. If you do not think so, look at the "Babe of the day" on Bill Wise's web site. Unless my eyes are failing me she has three barrels, with two sunken ribs between them and they look "original" to me, from that picture. In fact even with these three minor problems she still looks better that most of these guns look.

I am no expert, but the picture above has to be torched.

Look at the edges of the flats and how the color comes over the edge. My guess is that is from the heat of the torch on the sides of the frame.

There can be no doubt that these guns are not original. You don't need trick photos for that. I do not think they have been under the torch though.

thats a 1905 gun, they was talking about it at LC smith page

I think the forend iron on my FW Elsie was case colored. Did some Elsies have blackend forend irons and other case colored? And by the way...the Elsie in the picture just doesnt look right. All those colors on the sides and bottom but almost completely void of colors on the water table and breech face? And I dont see a hint of the subtle "pinks" that most of my Elsies had. I always thought Elsies had some of the prettiest case colors in the trade, the pinkish hue setting them apart from most other makers colors. Of course I'm talking about Elsies made in Fulton NY, not the Marlin Elsies :-(

Best,
Dustin

I've owned three Elsie's all with plus 80pct original cc and none had the hue's that the subject guns have, particularly the bright blue. I vote they're phoney and it doesn't matter how it was done. Fake is fake if presented as original.