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Laminated or Twist? #92914 04/28/08 08:09 PM
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,815 Likes: 4 Republic of Texas Stallones OP Sidelock
OP Stallones Sidelock Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,815 Likes: 4 Republic of Texas	These pictures are from my recently acquired Fred Williams-Birmingham. Drew House and I are trying to decide if these are actually Laminated or Twist.? [img][/img] [img][/img] [img][/img]

Re: Laminated or Twist? Stallones #92916 04/28/08 08:12 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 12,203 Likes: 442 North Alabama ellenbr Sidelock
ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 12,203 Likes: 442 North Alabama	Brother Hause should already have an opinion. Nice effort on the pics. It looks to be laminated as twist would have just a bit more structure. Kind Regards, Raimey rse

Re: Laminated or Twist? ellenbr #92920 04/28/08 08:20 PM
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,815 Likes: 4 Republic of Texas Stallones OP Sidelock
OP Stallones Sidelock Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,815 Likes: 4 Republic of Texas	Laminated is my opinion also,but Drew's is out yet.

Re: Laminated or Twist? Stallones #92922 04/28/08 08:26 PM
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,971 Likes: 105 Texas Joe Wood Sidelock
Joe Wood Sidelock Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,971 Likes: 105 Texas	Twist. John McCain is my war hero.

Re: Laminated or Twist? Stallones #92923 04/28/08 08:27 PM
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,485 Likes: 360 Bozeman, Mt. Daryl Hallquist Sidelock
Daryl Hallquist Sidelock Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,485 Likes: 360 Bozeman, Mt.	Well, the label is Laminated. What is the question ? http://www.bakercollectors.com/

Re: Laminated or Twist? Daryl Hallquist #92924 04/28/08 08:33 PM
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,815 Likes: 4 Republic of Texas Stallones OP Sidelock
OP Stallones Sidelock Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,815 Likes: 4 Republic of Texas	Drew thought it may be a Twist labeled as Laminated as it is likely a Belgium barrel used on the English gun

Re: Laminated or Twist? Stallones #92925 04/28/08 08:43 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 12,203 Likes: 442 North Alabama ellenbr Sidelock
ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 12,203 Likes: 442 North Alabama	Stallones: Strictly by the English definition of Laminated, how much reflection do you see looking inside the tubes; i.e., how well did the insides of the tubes polish? Or do you see signs or the character of the twist? But no doubt by the 1870s, the English were using Belgian pattern welded or mechanized Damascus tubes. Kind Regards, Raimey rse Last edited by ellenbr; 04/28/08 08:44 PM.

Re: Laminated or Twist? ellenbr #92926 04/28/08 09:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,820 Likes: 490 AZ but dreaming of KS Drew Hause Sidelock
Drew Hause Sidelock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,820 Likes: 490 AZ but dreaming of KS	c. 1850s William Powell Stub Twist c. 1860s W&C Scott Laminated Steel Leighton's c. 1880 Greener with (non-Silver Steel) Laminated Leighton's 1878 W&C Scott Laminated On further consideration, I think it is Damascus Twist or One Iron Crolle-Twist Laminate. Very similar pattern barrels are found on LC Smith Maker Baker, H grade Lefever, and Baker Gun & Forging guns Last edited by revdocdrew; 04/28/08 09:10 PM. https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home

Re: Laminated or Twist? Drew Hause #92927 04/28/08 09:12 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 12,203 Likes: 442 North Alabama ellenbr Sidelock
ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 12,203 Likes: 442 North Alabama	revdocdrew: Show some images of the insides of the tubes. What was the steel and iron mixture for One Iron Crolle-Twist Laminate? Just comparing images, Stub twist looks similar and of what was it composed(like laminated w/ nails, horseshoes which the English noted from the Spanish who noted the technique from the Persians who had to add into the brew to replicate the Indians method)? Also, for what it is worth, W. Greener considered Stub inferior to Laminated because it wasn't as hard; therefore, didn't polish was well. Kind Regards, Raimey rse Last edited by ellenbr; 04/28/08 09:30 PM.

Re: Laminated or Twist? ellenbr #92928 04/28/08 09:42 PM
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,815 Likes: 4 Republic of Texas Stallones OP Sidelock
OP Stallones Sidelock Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,815 Likes: 4 Republic of Texas	The bores are bright and shiny and appear to be laminated as Drew decided.

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