doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Am I missing something on this RBL topic?

Galazan ought be praised for guts and enterprise. The guns look damned good to me. I'd rather drop my dough on one of these made to my specs than buying a tired old classic that needs to be restored to make it look good. Bravo Galazan. He has ventured where giants have feared to go. I wish him great success and wish that some of the pecksniffs on this subject would appreciate what he is doing. Chopper

I'll bite on this part. Jaquas had the silver hawks for 2688 in Sept of 2005 when I bit on the RBL. For roughly the same money I felt it was worth the risk that the gun would not be done by April 2006. I do not have the gun yet.

I also agree that CSM could have done a better job of communicating through emails to all orderers occasionally. I believe that this may be that they are more used to small batches of extremely expensive guns instead of more mass produced higher end guns. I do appreciate their attitude of "if you do not like it obviously you are not our kind of customer, this is not the gun for you, here's your money back and should go buy the Beretta". I believe that this de-horses folks in a manner that they are not used to - the customer is not always right

I agree with King Brown and you can't control the people that think they want to complain just because you're obsessed and your panties are in a bundle.

Don't get me wrong on this. I'm just looking at the business aspect of the RBL after reading all the stories from some of the customers abt long delivery time. I'm cheering for CSM to make money on the project and I'm going to order one for myself. My orginal post was more oriented toward the marketing, production, and distribution of the product and how that product compares to the competition than the quality of product itself. I'd love to see a US company compete on the world market.

I gotta go with rabbit in that it's a niche market.

The sxs shotgun has a relatively small following compared to other types of actions for shotguns in the U.S. . Factor in the price of $2600+, narrow the focus to 20g, consider that many sxs purchasers want vintage guns, and suddenly the market gets pretty darn small.

I think a modern sxs as a market product is a lot less likely to be successful than a new gas auto or pump....but I hope these guys are successful.

I paid in full last December, was told it would be about a year for deliver. I'll be unhappy if it takes more than 20 months. But I'm not unhappy yet!

What follows is an observation in the form of a question, though someone might characterize it as whining/complaining/hand-wringing/LOSER-talk.

Who is more annoying ... the guy who's reasonable expectations haven't been met and who complains/whines/hand-wrings/displays LOSER-traits, or the guy who chooses to read this instead of something else and then complains/whines/hand-wrings, etc.(!) about the first guy?

Remember, this is just an observation, not a complaint, I'm still happy!

I tell you, I love these RBL threads. Just good reading. You've got all the personalities out there putting in their two cents.....all tied together by a shotgun.....not any shotgun mind you, but a new production done entirely on American soil. Getting difficult to find anything made entirely in the USA including parts sourcing. Whether good or bad......quite a venture. And, nice to see the number of folks ponying up there dough for this special American shotgun. And, great to see the give and take from you all in discussing (kinda) the pros & cons of this venture.

I do have an RBL on order...PIF 10/05. A friend of mine did receive his RBL back in Sept...ordered Nov/05. Now, that's some fuel for this fire, aye? I personally do not mind as I figure the more guns made prior to mine, the more practice for the craftsman putting mine together......and more debugging of the line. So, it'll be here and she'll be special.

As a person that has ordered and purchased not only an RBL(I have mine) but other custom shotguns from US manufacturers, I can unequivocalbly tell you that the other US manufacturers do not understand the needs of the double gun shooter. The wood I have been offered and in one case delivered was just awful. I am still dealing with one stock for over 6 months which shall hopefully soon be resolved. What I have not done is BROADCAST this particular problem over the Internet but have chosen to work with the company. The large firearms companies are driven by the 'Bean Counters' and the bottom line is the only thing that is important. An exhibition piece of Black Walnut that I recieved on my RBL would never be allowed by any of these companies. Tony has control of CSMC(I don't believe they are Public) and he knows collectors and shooters as well as good wood. I know of no US company that can produce the shotguns that Tony is making and the RBL. All the others before him have produced some guns and subsequently failed. All the others depended on foreign manufactured actions and barrels. The big US companies have watched this happen and have chosen to go the mass produced route and not enter the Custom or semi-custom market. When Remington wants to bring back the Parker, who do they chose to make it, CSMC.
Try to order a custom firearm from any other US manufacture and you will quickly find out why CSMC is suceeding.-Dick

Well Dick_dup1,
No offense I hope, but your sermon is boring, yet reveals why you post sanctimonious-sounding crap whenever you read a discouraging word about the RBL. You boast that you don't "BROADCAST this particular problem over the internet" and I think you expect the rest of us to follow your warped code of ethics. Some of us think bulletin boards and the internet are a great place to BROADCAST 'particular problems'. Deal with it!

Offsense taken!
Stick to replying about what I have Posted instead of making demeaning statements about my self or any other Poster. It's 'keyboard commandos' like you that make these Forums disintergrate. 'Keyboard commandos' feel safe in making statements they wouldn't make to a person face to face hiding behind the anominity of the Internet.