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Hey, any gun that introduces someone to our sport is fine by me. My own grandchildren are being taught with single shot 20 bores and when they are ready for a hunt they'll be shooting Rangers or Mossberg 500's. As to snob appeal, as a lifelong fly fisherman I have witnessed prejudice against guys whose tackle may not have British ancestry. I am still using the Pfleuger Medalist reels I bought as a boy for 6 bucks apiece.
Nothing shuts me off more than seeing someone putdown another's choice of shotguns or tackle or for that matter any material item. In my original post I stated that the CZ Bobwhite that I now own has very good workmanship for a gun in its price range. Now as to its functionality, that is a matter to be revealed in time. If metals suitable for their purposes have been employed there is little doubt that the gun will perform well; if lesser quality metals have been used, the outcome is predictable. But the days of judging a gun because of its country of origin are over insofar as this 72 year old shooter is concerned. Best to all! Chopperlump

If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, would Greece help?

i think everyone's reading something into miller's post that he didn't say. he never said there was anything wrong with pumps and didn't in any way put them down or the people who use them. he simply said he'd rather have a utilitarian double than a utilitarian pump and where it was made was not a driving factor.

and i totally disagree with starting new shooters, particularly children, on pumps. my first gun came at age 9 and i was of average height and dimensions and the reach to every pump i shot at that time was too long for my arms unless the left arm was extended uncomfortably straight to the point it affected my shooting. some of today's youth models might be a little more accomodating. i convinced a coworker to start his kid with a youth model gas operated 20 ga auto and i'll stand by that.

my father, whom i consider smarter/wiser than most about guns, started me off with a sxs. with 2 triggers yet. but it was made in spain so i'm sure it's a piece of junk just like the turk guns.

one of the most curious things i've noticed about criticism's of the turk guns (and lots of spanish as well) is that the majority come from people who don't own them. the ones who buy and shoot them seem to like them.

roger

The LAST gun in the world to start a new shooter with, old or young, is an autoloader. Yes, you can load one round, but, that bolt going back and locking open heightens the sensation of recoil.
I'll stand by that. Nine years of age is a bit young for a first shotgun, in my opinion. Recoil and blast imact little ears and frames at that age.
At nine, my kids are all still enamoured of the lowly .22 rifle. That's enough, at that point.
Best,
Ted

Chopper,

What did you think about the coil spring set-up?

Phil

If you mean coil spring mainsprings, that is nothing new. All of my hardware store guns have them. I think I'd prefer them in fact but on a sidelocked gun such as my Zephyr V. Sarasqueta 20 ga. I think I'd have hell's own time trying to replace a broken V-leaf mainspring. Aside from that, I noticed no more coil springs that were visible in the Turk's guts. Only removed the stock to get rid of that Browning-Remington-Mossberg-quicky finish which I detest. Very plain wood but hard, light, and well inletted. We'll see how it shoots, keeping in mind that I am more than a little prejudiced in favor of larger bores. Chops

Let me make one thing perfectly clear. I do not look down my nose at anyone who shoots a pump shotgun, or any other style they happen to like, I just don't happen to want one for myself. It is totally & purely personal bias, but recommending a pump to me is about the equivelent of recommending an automatic safety to Jim Legg. We both have our own personal dis-likes, but they're not necessarily the best for everyone. When it comes to shotguns, muzzle or breech loaders, I just want mine to hold 1/One shot per barrel.
I have not introduced a lot of kids to the shooting sports & I admire you for that. My own son I introduced with a Remington side cocking Single in 20ga & soon graduated him to a 20 double. To the best of my knowledge he was not handicapped by not having either a pump or auto-loader. I was always a field shooter, never a high volume range shooter, & over most of my shooting life I would generally be the only one carrying a SxS. I suppose most of my co-horts looked upon my choice as being out-moded & obsolete, but I cared less. I was there for enjoyment & shot what I enjoyed. I never felt in the slightest handicapped by having only two shots nor having two triggers to pull. If I did my part it was quite capable of killing all I desired to kill or that the law would allow. Growing up in a rural setting I know many, many people who for a gun for a "Tool" were quite content to have nothing more than a "Lowly" single shot. Their choice was actually quite adequate for the job it was called upon to do.

thanks for your input; i'll take it under advisement. it didn't have any negative effect on me that i've ever been able to determine. i guess i was lucky having the dad i got who didn't impose me with a bunch of low limitations. and i was shooting his 1100 20 ga while i was still 9 or possibly just after i'd turned 10 and recoil was not an issue at all. i still liked shooting "my" gun but i realized i'd have been better off w/ a 20 than a 410. i've never noticed the bolt locking back causing any undue recoil. certainly no more than any fixed breech gun.

i'd been shooting a 22 since i was 4 (yes 4; he'd hold the gun and let me aim and pull the trigger) and had a BB gun by the time i was 5 and had shot some shotgun of his before i had "my first shotgun" so he already had a pretty good idea what he was doing in giving it to me.

i suppose technically i was probably 9-1/2 or so. it wasn't a birthday or Christmas present. it was just a present.

Chop,

The cold mainspring is what I was refering to. I was comparing the CZ to a WW I era German boxlock I have and thought that the coil spring, while quite effective, looked well, a little mickey mouse if you'll pardon the expression. Is the CZ coil mainspring pretty standard as far coil main spring designs go?

I'm still learning....

Phil

Phil, a coil spring is a coil spring. Most encircle a rod which cocks the hammers and when the triggers are pulled the spring with its rod drives the hammers forward. Very simple, old fashioned design. It's worked on my Nitro Specials for 80+years with no broken firing pins or coil mainsprings. Chops