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Nope, modified Sako L579 action. Milled on the left side to reduce weight and a tang safety replacing the typical side safety of a Sako…

That is some special provenance for sure, good on you for getting out and using that special rifle!! I believe that to be a Mauser action?

Last time I had to return a damaged part I emailed support@midwestgunworks.com and received messages from the contact below but I’m sure they have a handful of customer service reps. Good luck!

Shawn
Midwest Gun Works
636-475-7300
1101 Mason Circle South
Pevely MO, 63070

Drew do you have a conversion factor for British Tons to PSI? I calculated for 3-1/4 T using a factor derived from an earlier post of yours which referenced Development of proof (loads) including the US. The Calculation came out to just under 10,400 PSI.

Jeez guys ...hes asking about this company
https://www.midwestgunworks.com/

Clean, uncluttered, easy to decipher:





Which if I did this right, puts it 1954 to 1989:



...I'm being told 1955 manufacture.

...but I get 1963 from this proof date:

The only firing pin that was replaced in my world happened on a Beretta Silver Snipe, circa 1970. The ‘Snipes had a reputation for firing pins breaking, and the lower barrel firing pin did just that on my Dads. We went to Ahlman’s where it was fixed in about 15 minutes while we watched. The gun was 6 years old at that point in time. The hot tip was to buy two, and save the factory version as a spare. After that we drove to Owatonna and did some pheasant hunting on public dirt.

I still have the spare. Still have the gun, too.

Best,
Ted

Trying to improve on my Mannlicher Schoenauer mdl 1900 I won this one a few days ago. Still in England. Takedown with peep and single trigger.

No, Jerry made that gun in 1966 or '67 for a Frontier Airlines pilot that wanted a light gun to take sheep hunting. The gun is just under 6 pounds all in and that is done with real wood and steel. No plastic or titanium!

Celeste, Jerry's wife had his log books from being a pilot and asked me if I would want his log books, I told her I would to keep with that gun.

It turns out, he was a B-17 pilot in WWII and the log books were his flying during the war! That is the kind of provenance you just don't find....

Just got this gun today from battle on this site. It is a nice gun, I can't wait to shoot it.

I will still consider another such hammergun in nicer condition, should anyone know of such. Until that time, this is really a great gun and hope to be shooting it soon...

Donnie Gemes?
You might get his number with the search function

Thanks for your reply Daryl, the company is Midwest Gun works in Pevely MO…my apologies for not being clear on the business name, I’ve changed the topic title to reflect the correct name now but I’m not sure if that’s the one your are referring to.

Thanks

CJ

If what has been presented here is accurate then I've learned a lot in this post that I simply didn't realize.

My 1997 New England Arms Arrieta 557 has had zero functional issues (other than me falling on it and cracking the stock, which took quite a bit to fix) and moreover, the many AyAs and Grullas we sold at MW Reynolds, starting in the early 2000s (& running for another ~20-years) never failed to due to unhardened metal that I know of. All I can remember as reported problems were some "fit" issues (as in the gun not fitting the ultimate user) and a few safeties that would come on after use (in the 453 AyAs, never any problem with the Grullas), but that was about it.

I do like the look and perhaps "feel" of English guns a little better, but that's as much art and history as anything. I'd certainly buy another Spanish gun if I found one that I could justify, and FWIW...being able to use 2 3/4-shells in a "modern" firearm is a nice convenience.

Edit to add: when I think of all the nigging little (& even bigger) issues we had to deal with from much-older English (& American) guns over-the-years, the Spanish guns were pretty trouble free by comparison...

Claudio, I wonder if you are referring to the gunstock company that seemed to follow Flaigs and Bishops in Missouri. I have never done business with either, but seem to remember a man named Donnie was a principal.

Good one!

That black oxide treatment on Bakers was from the 1913 to 1919 period. Then , after Baker sold the gun making part of their business to Folsom in 1919, the black oxide treatment was used on the grades above the Batavia Leader. Those grades using the black oxide , or similar, were the Black Beauty Special, a few single barrel trap guns , and the DeLuxe. As I recall the Expert was advertised that way, but I have never seen an example.

Seven or so years later Baker Gun & Forging Co. replaced their color case hardened frame and lockplates Batavia line with the black oxide finished Black Beauty --



and Black Beauty Special --



In 1932 Savage gave the black finish a try when they introduced their SP-/SPE-Grade Ansley H. Fox guns --

That is an awfully nice Tobin. It is really difficult to find guns like that.

That Black Diamond Model sheet is from my Tobin catalog collection --



My 12-gauge Black Diamond --



The Black Diamond was the first Tobin I got. Found it at the Rockingham County Fairgrounds gun show in the Shenandoah Valley in the spring of 1988. That gun and the Tobin ads I was finding while researching things Fox at the Library of Congress and feeding the info to McIntosh for "The Finest Book in the World" as Headrick nicknamed it led me down the Tobin rabbit hole!!

"Spanish Artisanal Shotguns" You sound like "Beans" talking about LC Smith guns.

Just a couple of comments on this subject. When it comes to a gun makers finished product, the maker themselves is solely responsible for the heat treating and overall QC of the various parts they have sourced throughout the trade whether that be forgings, castings, barrels, wood, etc. If the gunmakers are getting inferior parts that don't meet quality standards (type of steel, etc.), that's on the maker to take care of by dealing with that vendor. If the gunmaker is sending out a finished gun that has parts that are not properly heat treated or made from the correct grade of steel, that's on them.

Just to drive the point home, no gun-trade parts makers or vendors send parts out that are already heat treated. Heat treating happens after the parts are fully machined, shaped and fitted. Sending out heat treated parts like actions, forend irons, ejector bits, tumblers, locking bolts, spring blanks, etc would be counter productive seeing how heat treated parts are a pain in the ass to machine, fit and otherwise work with. It would also add in the extra step of having to spend valuable time annealing everything to a soft state so it could actually be worked on. As many gunsmiths will tell you, hardening a part is only part of the process, it'll also have to be properly tempered and "drawn back". If you've ever had to make any parts or tools, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

The Spaniards could always harden steel with the best of them, the proper methods of tempering & drawing back is where they fell short and for some odd reason, they (the so called Artisanal makers) didn't seem to care all that much. Who knows, maybe when that part of the process at some of these shops was supposed to take place, it just happened to be right on the cusp of "Siesta" and they just never really got around to it or they just didn't care all that much. If you've ever lived in Spain, you know what I'm talkin' about.

Brent: previous thread about lengthening cones to mitigate the rise in pressure with using long for chamber shells
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=621506

Bell's study did suggest that cone lengthening will indeed decrease the pressure rise.

Although removing metal obviously does not make a barrel stronger, because angle of the cones is sharper than the external taper of the barrels, cones can be lengthened BY AN EXPERT and the resultant wall thickness is about the same as the end of chamber wall thickness.



Up until the magic of long cones marketing started, the standard was 3/4 - 1" but some European makers used even shorter cones.

I’m looking for some assistance,ideally from someone here who deals with them on a regular basis or perhaps someone who lives close by and has dealt with them in person, not sure that’s even possible these days….or if there is anyone in particular whom I should be directing my calls to.

Your help would be greatly appreciated

CJ

Quite the 'artisan' that uses improperly made vendor parts in his products.

What can be easier to detect than improperly hardened parts? Certainly these makers own a file.

But then Krieghoff can't harden a firing pin either so there's that...

They blame the primers. Erosion is blamed on pierced soft primers, tip deformation is blamed on primers that are too hard.

What does Beretta blame it on? They don't have to because they can make firing pins.

While it is true that anything can break, walking into known problems requires access to the dwindling trade that can fix this stuff or the ability to do the work yourself.

Lacking that, best practice is avoidance.

People STILL buy Toyota Tundras and GM 6.2's... even with the well documented and very common failures.

'"It's been fixed!". Uh... no, it hasn't and will never be.

Caveat Emptor.

Not positive, but, it may have been the hot version of black oxide:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_oxide

I bought a black diamond 12 gauge from our own John Mann, longer ago than I care to remember. It was a durable finish, unlike the cold version of black oxide. A friend still owns that gun.

Best,
Ted

You're welcome Daryl. Not sure where I got that
Rod & Gun in Canada was a gold mine of Tobin advertising