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This is where SKEET was invented.

https://preservation.mhl.org/73-dascomb-road

Today:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/73+Dascomb+Rd,+Andover,+MA+01810/@42.6332136,-71.1691748,289m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x89e309b58b857ad9:0x206d5a1c4c06b6dd!8m2!3d42.6331787!4d-71.168242!16s%2Fg%2F11c1glyzk8?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

You can still shoot skeet at a number of clubs in the area, including the Andover Sportsman's Club, the Minute Man Sportsman Club, and at the Reading Rifle & Revolver Club.


OWD

Parabola: The new stuff just doesn't get it for me, but I can see why you'd venture a few bucks on this one.

I'm also noticing that almost all hammerguns (including this Baikal) are sidelocks. My Ithaca seems to be one of the few boxlocks I've seen.

Susjwp: I've been doing that off and on for the last year and I'm really enjoying it. My modern O/U SKB target gun just sits in it case lately.

I'm thinking this Parker will be used more for upland work (pheasants?) but we'll see how it fits me first. Since I'm not likely to be feeding it readily-available ammunition (it reportedly has short chambers) that will tend to limit its use for clays.

It's all a voyage of discovery for me with these "eared" guns. I find them strangely alluring and way more useful than I would have expected them to be.

So Belgian sourced Jones Underlever? Typically that Jones Underlever is used for Stout Lock-Up.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

I still hope to find a decent Remington M-514 Routeledge to use rat shot cartridges in. We are overrun with carpenter bees that bore 1/2" holes and create tunnels in the rafters and joists of our wooden equipment sheds and barns. We are gradually replacing the sheds with all steel ones but I could still burn lots of .22 shot shells wing shooting those bees.

I remember well the first time I shot a poisonous snake with a "snake shot" cartridge in .22 magnum, the CCI ones with the blue frangible plastic nose cover for the shot. I was amazed to see that the snake absolutely did not move, not a flinch when the pellets struck. The load totally paralyzed the snake and I soon saw tiny droplets of blood oozing out of each shot hole. I dunno if that is 100% typical of how they react to the shot load but that's how I've seen them react. They are very good loads to carry in a revolver in snake country.

My Krupp Steel J.P. Sauer 26" ten weighs 6 pounds, 4 ounces and has very acceptable wall thickness. Don't ask me how they did that. I like everything about the gun in question except the price. I think the game counter takes it out of the pigeon or trap category. It is a driven bird gun for someone who likes to take the tall ones. Looks like a Webley screw grip action but the pictures are not real clear.

How come you didn’t post a link to that beautiful course in Detroit?

Did they find another corpse on it?

Best,
Ted
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A bad day hunting beats a good day working, but, a good day golfing is the same as a bad day golfing.

A-Square Hannibal 500 A-Square cal joins the collection of Big Bores

I am always on the lookout for Vintage original A-Square rifles. Here is the latest to follow me home.

Specs are:
Custom Enfield Action
23" Heavy Barrel
10 pounds 9-1/2 ounces
13-3/4" LOP
Winchester African pre-64 Rear Site
Brass Bead Ramp Front Site
2.5x20 Scout Mtd Scope w/ Leopold QD lever Rings
Coil-Check Stock w/ Palm Swell

as always your comments are most welcome

http://www.buckstix.com/buckpics/500-A-SQUARE-000.jpg

I hope he sends a picture of it when it is taken down.

I had a N. Guyot SXS that had a light primer strike on the right side. (I had just purchased the gun from a dealer.) I tried about 7 different factory and a hand load With a couple different primers. The only ones that performed well were STS and AA factory loads with my handloads firing as well. Herters loads were horrible with the firing pin catching on the primer. Obviously a huge difference in the performance of ammo.

Start with STS factory and experiment from there...

I'm still here but have not received any emails from you of late. Nothing in the spam folder either.

I shall message you confirmation of my email address.

Tim

As a loyal Liberal Left Democrat, I'm betting your solution would be to continue to ignore the taxpayer funded illegal invasion of our nation by upwards of 20 million unvetted Illegal migrants, and to expect taxpayers to support them and grant them amnesty and citizenship. All in the hope of turning the country into a Woke Democrat utopia.

If you thought they would vote Republican, you all would be pulling military support from NATO and the Ukraine to carpet bomb them.

If you have a better way of undoing the obscenely costly criminal obstruction of our Immigration Laws done by Democrats, then let's hear it. Our Immigration System was not broken until Democrats Hell bent on destroying our country broke it.

You are not part of the problem... people like you are the problem, and you all support a traitorous insurgency. The wretched refuse of mostly Central America, who pleaded amnesty from repressive regimes, and who only wanted a better life... well now we see them rioting, attacking Police and Military, waving Mexican flags, and openly admitting the Reconquista is their actual intention.

So let's hear your solution Clapper Zapper.

So Robert Ruark judges a shooter's manhood by the size of the shotgun gauge he uses, huh? Well, I've got news for Robert Ruark- I've never shot a .410 in my life. And I wear a pin on my shooting hat that says, "I shoot like a girl!" 😆

That is why I keep a couple older ones from about 15 years ago. They are nice to have in the trunk of your car when you go to a gun show.

Is it okay (safe) to shoot modern loads in the Krupp steel barrels that are on a Fox side by side? Or does one need to reload something lighter?

I have not seen it mentioned on here. Unless I missed it. The new Remington 1816 Precision side by side shotgun in 20 gauge. I saw one in a store today and it looked like a nice gun. Case hardened, Splinter forend, Single trigger. Turkish walnut wood. 28" barrels. 3"chambers. 5 interchangeable chokes. They also make an O/U, too. Around $2000.00. Has anybody bought one yet?

Looks like the tube was sourced or made @ Hänel or by Helmuthhauser - Hellmuthhäuser/Helmuthhäuser


The only German mechanic that used the Heart stamp was Emil Eckoldt.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

In a conversation recently with David Trevallion and previously with Vic Venters both mentioned their suspicion which borders on certainty that UK center-break gun makers in the 1850's relied to a great extent on Barrels with lumps from Liege. This has been mentioned several times in the Reilly history at various places. The observations have been consolidated in III, 29 per below:

. . . .*27(a) 1856-1858: Obversations on the origin of early UK center-break SxS barrels and actions

Again, the role that Liège barrel and action makers played in this story of the origin of the UK center-break gun is not clear. However, very prominent gun sport writers have suspicions that it was much more important than most would admit and that there is a distinct possibility that Lang, Reilly and Blanch initially at least imported barrels with lumps from Liège. For instance a pin-fire center break Reilly shotgun exists dated to 1861 with a faint Belgian proof mark still visible.

There is historical logic for this conclusion. There were no barrel makers in London after 1847 - all British barrels came from Birmingham. Likewise London was the locus for the new gun and the innovations for making the actions initially came from that city.

It seems that Birmingham specifically ignored the center-break gun at this time in the 1850's. For instance there are no advertisements for or press references to Birmingham breech-loading actions until possibly a brief mention in summer 1859. (This may be debatable since there is a Reilly, originally a pin-fire, dated to 1858 with Birmingham proofs and a Breeden action; Breeden was a prominent Birmingham gun furniture and action maker. This gun may actually be later than the serial number should indicate).

Thus it seems unlikely that a few London gunmakers selling less than 100 guns in total from 1854-1857 could persuade a Birmingham factory to produce a few dozen SxS barrels with lumps, a new technology until the demand became truly important around late 1858 and 1859 when Purdey and many other London makers became involved.

This is further reinforced by the desultory efforts of Ely to produce a UK made pin-fire cartridge. The first Ely pin-fire game gun shell was introduced in April 1858 but it performed poorly. Ely didn't get it right until 1859. Ely was not going to produce artisanal cartridges and obviously didn't begin serious operation until the demand was proven.

Thus, logic would seem to insist that most of the 1850's UK center-break barrels with lumps up until around 1859 came from Liège, a conclusion supported to some extent by letters to "The Field" in late 1857.

(This will be subject to a follow on post on the topic of Birmingham's earliest involvement in making pin-fire game guns. This has been discussed previously in Stephen Nash's excellent "Pin-Fire Game-gun" line.)

wildwood,
Without photos we can't give specific information, but in general you have a 9mm rimfire/6mm Flobert combination gun commonly called a garden gun. Most have proofmarks on the smoothbore barrel showing they were proofed for a single projectile (bullet). Bulleted ammo was available at one time, but I have only been able to find shotshells for the 9mm barrel. The 6mm barrel is also proofed for a single projectile but since it is rifled there would be no question it was intended for bulleted ammo. I have seen 6mm rimfire ammo for sale but since it is so close in size to 22 rimfire, that is the ammo most owners use. Most of the 6mm chambers were reamed to a "generous" length and will take longer cartridges, but I mostly use either 22 Short CB caps or normal 22 Shorts, given the purpose of the gun. The rifled barrel is pleasingly accurate at short distance and the smoothbore barrel gives pretty good patterns, but at very short distances. Lacking 9mm Rimfire bulleted ammo I can only speculate about its performance, but the range should be very limited also. While these guns are fun, they are not toys and especially should be used with care, especially if 9mm bulleted ammo is located.
Mike