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Re: Advantages of the top rib extension bolt
ChiefAmungum
03/28/24 08:23 AM
Overkill, Brent. Not overbuilt. Overkill as in unnecessary, belt and suspenders. From an engineering standpoint either method would be adequate on its own. As stated, most low enders only have a rib extension with the inclined slot. I've never seen one fly open!
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Re: Reilly Side-Lever SxS .410 - 1884
KY Jon
03/28/24 03:24 AM
December 2023 Sealed Bid Auction : Sale S1223 Lot 8556 E.M. REILLY & CO. .410 DOUBLE-BARRELLED SIDELEVER HAMMERGUN, serial no. 25853,
Estimate £15-25
S2 - Sold as a Section 2 Firearm under the 1968 Firearms Act
Please note that guns sold as Stock, Action and Fore-end only are sold without barrels. The original barrels may be available for sleeving purposes, but will only be released cut in the approved manner as per Proof House guidelines. Please note there is a charge of £10 per item for this service. Please note Stock, Action & Fore-end guns are sold as licensable items and will need to be entered onto an appropriate licence before being released. If, subsequently, licensable parts are left with Holts for destruction, a £25 handling charge will be levied
This was a stock, action and fore-end gun. Holt's will absolutely not sell a gun they know is out of proof. It would cost them a lot of money to do so. Click on your link and you will see the disclaimer.
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Re: OT- New Colorado DOW commission
craigd
03/28/24 03:05 AM
....You can say that stuff Craig but the empirical evidence across NA, Western Europe, Australia and New Zealand says I’m right.... Thanks cback. I admit that I'd prefer to limit the discussion to the US for reasons that you might predict, but I'd share if it helps. Anyway, I'd be open to being pointed towards any empirical evidence that has worked for any issue, right of center. If you will, it can't be an issue that the left capitulates on, such as defund then fund the police again? I'll edit to add that I can appreciate your passion for this broad strategy, but I didn't criticize the theory, I disagree with your conclusion of prof's example.
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Re: OT- New Colorado DOW commission
Ted Schefelbein
03/28/24 02:46 AM
so what the F#$% can we do about it besides bitchn to the choir. does anyone have a solution? Good grief, that's simple. This "board" governs only a puffy, little grant program for mostly children and not the governing board for the Colorado Parks and Wildlife? Maybe you missed that. Did you, your children, or grandchildren apply for the board? There were only 40 applications. Now YOU could propose a program for a hunting or shooting activities on Colo public lands that would recruit new hunters and shooters to the outdoors and even receive some of this grant money to do it. You are all about recruiting new young people to the sports, not just providing new things for people already engaged, right? Or you could, entirely independent of the Colorado Parks and Wildlife, host youth activities to recruit new people to the ranks? Nah. I didn't think so either. But if you want to get anywhere productive, you have to leave the comfort of "the choir" and start talking to the people that scare you so. Fire away. I’m going to bet that filing with the board to begin a youth firearms safety course might not fit the social justice theme that runs through the rather sad resume’s posted above. Just a guess. Best, Ted
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Re: OT- New Colorado DOW commission
canvasback
03/28/24 02:46 AM
Much as I hate to agree with Brent, he's right.
The "Right" constantly gets outflanked by the "Left" because the Left is filled with activists that work for the long haul. Generational. This DEI stuff, wokeism, whatever you want to call it. the infringement on gun and property rights blah blah blah ad nauseaum, didn't happen overnight. it has been a long time coming. No, cback, the prof is not. If he isn't flat out wrong, he's at least a hypocrit. Bottom line, his feel good opinion has nothing to do with science that he often belittles others about. It is as predictable as a dem playing the race or gender card, run the other way when all they bring is an emotional tug on heartstrings, by invoking children. Steve and Brent would you do a courtesy revisit some time about specific numbers of kids, who join school/club shooting teams, claim to have a responsible parent purchase one or more weekend recreational arm, purchased a youth hunting license in their name, etc. Or, maybe we look the other way, when it comes to results. You can say that stuff Craig but the empirical evidence across NA, Western Europe, Australia and New Zealand says I’m right. I’m not talking just about teenage eco hunter programs. I’m talking about all of society. The vast majority of people who get up in the morning a dedicate their day to activism in support of some cause are on the Left.
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Re: Hunting with the 9.3x57R/360
CJF
03/28/24 02:00 AM
Thanks Mike. I really like the Watson too! Probably once a month it comes out of the safe, and I think how lucky I am to have been able to acquire it. Pleasant to shoot, accurate, and plenty of gun for what I hunt.
Regards, Chris
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Re: OT- New Colorado DOW commission
craigd
03/28/24 01:58 AM
Yeah, Brent's right here. Older conservative folks just don't want to get involved and then this happens. If you're even remotely comfortable, you usually just don't care and only want to be left alone. I get it.
Slouching towards Gomorra. Bork had it right. To expand on my comment to cback, the resumes and agendas that you listed are a significant amount of unrelated, negative baggage, to simply be dismissed because children are invoked.
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Re: OT- New Colorado DOW commission
craigd
03/28/24 01:52 AM
Much as I hate to agree with Brent, he's right.
The "Right" constantly gets outflanked by the "Left" because the Left is filled with activists that work for the long haul. Generational. This DEI stuff, wokeism, whatever you want to call it. the infringement on gun and property rights blah blah blah ad nauseaum, didn't happen overnight. it has been a long time coming. No, cback, the prof is not. If he isn't flat out wrong, he's at least a hypocrit. Bottom line, his feel good opinion has nothing to do with science that he often belittles others about. It is as predictable as a dem playing the race or gender card, run the other way when all they bring is an emotional tug on heartstrings, by invoking children. Steve and Brent would you do a courtesy revisit some time about specific numbers of kids, who join school/club shooting teams, claim to have a responsible parent purchase one or more weekend recreational arm, purchased a youth hunting license in their name, etc. Or, maybe we look the other way, when it comes to results.
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Re: OT- New Colorado DOW commission
earlyriser
03/28/24 01:47 AM
One thing I try to do is be the very best hunter-conservationist I can. I believe hunters understand nature and ecology better than most people (even better than academically trained ecologists), but too often I see hunters dismiss parts of nature that aren’t game animals. In a public forum a thoughtful hunter-conservationist can stand toe to toe with any non-hunting outdoor advocate, but the hunter has to understand and speak about conserving all parts of nature, not just game animals. In a recent public meeting I saw a hunter say “We don’t care about the little birds” speaking of songbirds. In my opinion, he basically gave away his power when he said that. If I’m going to advocate that hunting has a place in a healthy, functioning ecosystem, I want to know that ecosystem better than anyone, and have stewardship cred that can’t be challenged. If hunters walk—the-walk I think we’ll keep our place on the landscape.
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Re: 8 ga. load using Longshot 1 /18 oz. shot
David Williamson
03/28/24 01:42 AM
Bill, it is not for me, a fellow "elsie" man shoots in most of the big shoots and just got into the 8 gauge and is looking for some light loads. I told him I would see if I could some get information on here. A powder that works is Clays but that is like finding hen's teeth right now. Some of the guys that shoot 8 gauge at the Southern have loads but getting the powder not happening.
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Re: Gauges and payloads
Jimmy W
03/28/24 12:14 AM
That's why I use the same :load every time I shoot. I don't jump around using 7/8- then 3/4 then 1 oz. just to save money on shot. I use 1 1/8 oz. of shot in every 12 gauge I shoot and I have been using the same formula for 25 years. If I had one that didn't shoot where I looked I would know right off. I have only had one gun that didn't shoot where I looked. I could tell after a couple of boxes. THAT is the one I patterned, actually. I got rid of it. If I shoot my 20 gauge, I know where it shoots and I use the same reloading formula for that gun. If I can't run 25 straight at trap or skeet, then I know it's me. Not the gun. Sporting clays? A different animal. The guns I hunt with? They shoot where I look and I use the same formula when I hunt that I do when I shoot clay targets. I guess I have always been able to do that. Works for me. . OK Jimmy, I’m confused…you said you’ve always been able to adapt to a way a gun shoots. But you sold a gun that didn’t shoot where you looked. So you couldn’t adapt to that gun?? Nope. It patterned well, too. That was the only gun that never worked out for me. And I couldn't get the thought of patterning it every time I pulled the trigger. So I never patterned a gun again. From then on I figured out a gun by shooting it. Not by patterning it. Very few guys at my club use a patterning board when they get a new gun. They just go out and start shooting. Go figure. 👍
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Re: CVA kit from the 70's
PhysDoc
03/28/24 12:05 AM
PhysDoc, Good on you. My dad didn't care much about guns and didn't teach me much about them, but he taught me how to shoot (that was how we learned I was near sighted) and Christmas often included a gun and/or ammo. But at 12 years old, I started helping him on construction jobs. I learned things working for him that helped me other ways, both with guns and my later professional life. My dad died before he was 52, while was in Viet Nam. Because of the time I spent with him, I had a guide to get me through the rest of my life. You never know when you will go, but your son will cherish the things he learns from you and the time you spend with him. Do you still have the Senaca Falls lathe? If so, that will be a good chance to teach him some very helpful skills. Since it has an unusual leadscrew. and is likely a "change gear" lathe rather than a "quick change", he has a chance to learn more about a lathe than he could learn in a shop class. BTW, the broken tumbler might not have been properly heat treated, another good learning vehicle. Enjoy, I know your son will. Mike Thanks Mike for sharing those memories of your father, they were inspiring. Yes, I still have my dad’s lathe, I hope my son will learn how to use it. The last patent date on it is from the 1890’s. I’ve seen period advertisements that show a treadle version was available. I used the lathe to make a thimble, the ramrod tips, some pins and screws for the pistol and turned down the ends of the ramrod. I think of my dad and the guy who owned before my dad every time I use it. HalfaDouble do you still have your squirrel rifle, I would love to see a picture.
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Re: Gauges and payloads
Ken Nelson
03/27/24 11:33 PM
That's why I use the same :load every time I shoot. I don't jump around using 7/8- then 3/4 then 1 oz. just to save money on shot. I use 1 1/8 oz. of shot in every 12 gauge I shoot and I have been using the same formula for 25 years. If I had one that didn't shoot where I looked I would know right off. I have only had one gun that didn't shoot where I looked. I could tell after a couple of boxes. THAT is the one I patterned, actually. I got rid of it. If I shoot my 20 gauge, I know where it shoots and I use the same reloading formula for that gun. If I can't run 25 straight at trap or skeet, then I know it's me. Not the gun. Sporting clays? A different animal. The guns I hunt with? They shoot where I look and I use the same formula when I hunt that I do when I shoot clay targets. I guess I have always been able to do that. Works for me. . OK Jimmy, I’m confused…you said you’ve always been able to adapt to a way a gun shoots. But you sold a gun that didn’t shoot where you looked. So you couldn’t adapt to that gun??
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Re: Advantages of the top rib extension bolt
Ted Schefelbein
03/27/24 10:00 PM
I believe Damascus has a hammer Purdey that he has owned most of his life, that has no extension and but a single locking lug on the barrel.
There does not seem to be an issue with it holding the gun closed. Properly fitted, they all do that, and a rotary bolt was no better and no worse than any other bolt.
Best, Ted
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Re: Advantages of the top rib extension bolt
ChiefAmungum
03/27/24 09:40 PM
All right, from a mechanical point of view a properly fitted, and I stress properly fitted Brown rotary bolt is attractive. Simply this. It holds the barrels down towards the frame while holding the barrels back against the breach. Self adjusts for wear and is a very simple mechanism. Double underlugs hold the barrels to the frame nicely. The holding to the breach is a function of the fore end I think. A cross bolt would work much the same as the rotary bolt. Needs a lot more fitting than the Brown patent. A double underlug with crossbolt such as a Merkel SXS is just overkill. either method would be more than fine. Lots of low enders work just great with a inclined slot on the barrel extension, lots of them.
In practice all work just fine. Clean the pin, lube the pin, shoot the gun!
Chief
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