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I had a similar experience with a friend’s dog when I shot a young rabbit too far back with a .22 Hornet.

The dog, a 3/4 Labrador 1/4 Collie, was usually very efficient but my friend’s puzzlement he seem to be spending quite a while fiddling around.

He eventually came back with a disgusted look on his face preceded by a fan of rabbit legs that he was gingerly holding by the paws with the sticky bits as far as possible from his muzzle!

That looks like the stock makers nightmare an internal stock blank crack. This sort of problem could be hidden by a craft stock maker because he would have sufficient matching wood he had removed during the basic shaping to patch it. Like a lot of production today the use of duplicators for producing the stocks basic shape with wood removed that is a little better than sawdust so no chance of a good patch repair. It looks like the crack has been filled with an epoxy filler and leveled down before it was truly hard, Oh! the benefits of mass production and poor quality control, and a machine minder's ham fisted attempt to make things better.

One thing very few people figure in is the shape of the comb. The measurements seldom account for drop at face, and the comb profile is never quantified. A consistent gun mount must be developed before any fitting numbers are meaningful. As mentioned the mechanical influence of bore and choke being concentric, convergence of patterns on target. As Brister said art and science.

ROTFL

Ok, a follow up question then: what is Gebrauchsmusterschutz No. 61920?

Serbus,

Raimey
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Updated Price

Thanks for that pic, damascus. I've never seen a punch made like that. Appreciate it, that's learning for me.

wiki thingy?

an who was sam hill?

an who said " the essence of sumthin is often lost in the details"?

Beautiful piece of wood and workmanship. Congratulations! But wouldn’t hanging it over your finger give you the same answer?

ot ah know, but this is so well put and too important not to try to share here...

submitted for my friend keith...

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ted-nugent-tucker-carlson-fox-nation-constitution-bear-arms

It would be an enormous help if Bob Beach would look in.
His Francotte tutorial is here
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=229207

I don't know when Auguste Francotte & Cie began marketing Francotte Arms guns, but here is a thread with a 1961 gun
https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=292163

The lettre annale is a lower case theta for 1953.

Here is another Francotte Arms
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/60893502_francotte-liege-belgium-double-barrel-shotgun

P1K379.5 is the barrel weight at the time of proof = 3.041#. If the barrels now weight > 3% less (from honing) the gun is considered to be out of proof.

The original bore was 16.9 mm = .665"
R barrel constriction is 16.7 = .657" = .008" choke = Improved Cylinder
L barrel constriction is 16.4 = .646" = .019" = Modified

It has 65mm = 2 1/2" chambers

Siemens Martin steel is a quality product

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Make that 6 people.

Keep up the good work!

Regards

AlanD

I got it from Tempe, AZ. But my first S-man rifle that I got at Tulsa came from CA but the story that went with it was a widow in CA was selling and she said her husband had bought it at Paul Jaegers in PA. So these guns do get around the country.

For those that asked it is not a Merkel case, but it is a very nice generic

Jason,
I think you made a good, well reasoned, choice. I started using a 7x57R in 1971 and have never regretted the choice. You stated you can reload the 7x57R with standard 7x57 dies, but with the correct shell holder. That is how I always loaded for mine. As I was loading 30-40 Krag, at the time, I opened up the 30-40 shell holder with a Dremel tool and used it. The correct shell holder won't be hard to find now. I had the best results with bullets 160- 173 grains and fairly slow powder( 4831). Newer powders may be better than 4831. When I started, I had to sort Berdan primed cases from Boxer primed ones, but you will likely only encounter Boxer primed ones. The American primers and bullets are proper so you will have no problems. Also, you will find the 6x42 scope is excellent in low light, I have a 6x42 Hensoldt on my favorite drilling and have complete confidence in it. Good luck, I hope you take a deer with it this year.
Mike

Beautiful gun with what appears to be Grade 5 wood

Grade 4



Grade 5



These folks will know
http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=33908

A high condition Nitro Special from 1923, this gun retains over 95% finish.


A couple tics on the left tube, looks like there is a small fill behind the top tang.


$850 plus shipping


Link to pictures.

16 gauge, 28" bbls., 2-3/4" chambers
RT barrel, .658 bore, .016 choke
LT barrel, .658 bore, .021 choke
LOP, 14-1/4
DAC, 1-3/16
DAH, 2-3/4
Slight Cast Off
Weight, 6lbs. 10oz

This gun is C&R eligible where legal.

I am not an FFL, so if your FFL will not accept the gun from me please find another.

Buyer to pay actual shipping by USPS Registered mail.

We planted 3 fields in corn, sunflower, wheat & rice...almost didn't get anything in. Early season plantings had good rain, but we had to wait through a 2 month drought and got the sunflowers in 80 days before our opener Sept. 4th.
Hope that our sunflowers are the 70 day variety... we have had decent rain since and are looking forward to a great season, well a better season than last year...setting a low bar with that! Last year suxed!!

BTW, early season I'll be shooting my Janssen & Son 20 ga. and later in the season A 2.5' 16 LC Smith field.

gee foxie, your applause is appreciated...

I found somebody who has enough for me to get what I need done. I have a feeling I will have to come up with a new source. Thanks to all who have contributed.

Neither do I topgunny- I am more a pre-64 Winchester man, with a smattering of knowledge of Colts and L.C. Smiths. RWTF

Good price for one of those. Quite a few grouse and woodcock hunters like the same gun with 25" barrels. Even lighter. But I've owned both, and the 28" version worked better for me. Seemed less whippy. But you either need to shoot spreaders or have the chokes opened for grouse and woodcock.

I'm a long time member and competitor in cast bullet matches and 5744 has been a very popular powder, especially in the military rifle matches and many records have been set using it. The original surplus 5744 was really good and it was cheap when it came out. Some of the new made lots may not be quite so great.

From the positioning of the 09 or 60 marks close to the witness marks aligning the barrels and breech plugs my guess is that they are assembly numbers to make sure the right plugs were threaded into the correct barrels.

The B over 10 might be a local colonial (or Irish) registration mark.

They are not part of the Proof marks.