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DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Jump to new posts
Re: Ideas on re-sizing Rocky Mountain brass 10 g hulls skeettx 05/18/21 06:57 PM
NO !!

Proper tool for the proper job !

https://www.mecoutdoors.com/600-jr-mark-5-parts

Get a 47 and a 20
Get the 20 in 10 gauge.

I push the hulls into the ring/tube with either a vice or 12 ton shop press. Go slow and use
Imperial Sizing Wax.

Make a push out rod with a cavity for the internal primer mound to move them out of the die.

Mike
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DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Jump to new posts
Re: Ideas on re-sizing Rocky Mountain brass 10 g hulls John E 05/18/21 06:54 PM
If they are thick walled cases as others have stated you can reduce the OD quickly by spinning them in a lathe, drill press or hand drill and polish them down with Emory cloth. Finish with scotch bright. The brass will cut quick so be observant.
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Ferlach hammer cape gun in 12.5mm/20ga CJF 05/18/21 05:13 PM
Took a risk on a vaguely described auction listing. Trying to figure out what I have.

I'll post better pictures in a few days but for now, here's a link to the auction. https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-M...5/lotInformation/60704024&rfpb=0#Top

Description said shotgun, but pictures showed rifle sights and Rigby-style fore end latch. Maker is Jos. Sigott of Ferlach. Auction house shipped quickly and I have it in hand.

Tiny. Small frame. Hammers. Engraving a mix of decent and cheap. Barrels tight on face, short at 23" even. Do not appear cut. Rifle barrel is on right. Stamped 12.5 underneath. Appears to be 60mm or slightly more to leade or forcing code. Maybe 12.5mmx60r Danish? a .500 BPE case rim fits the rim recess. Rifling looks like Henry style. Haven't measured the 20ga barrel yet. Fired 20 hull does not go in easily and haven't forced it. Shotgun tube marked 14.9.

Proofs appear to be Ferlach post 1891. Has first rifle firing proof, and 1956.11, which I take to be the 1,956th gun proofed in Ferlach in 1911. That right?

The bottom rib is marked 5624 10 158 11.8 Haven't figured that one out yet.

Anyone have a suggestion on what the 12.5mm rifle cartridge might be?
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DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Jump to new posts
Re: Help Identifying Belgian Double smp190 05/18/21 04:59 PM
Took some photos during my lunch.
The water table has no markings.
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Here are some close ups of the barrel markings. This is the 12 ga barrels.
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Here are pics of the other barrel. 12 ga one side and the other a rifled barrel with flip up sight and the front bead which appears to be adjustable for windage.
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Re: Ithaca NID 4E pipeliner 05/18/21 03:17 PM
Thankz
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Re: Ideas on re-sizing Rocky Mountain brass 10 g hulls bsteele 05/18/21 02:43 PM
Have you considered turning the outsides of the cases down in a lathe? The cases could likely be put on a mandrel and turned down .002” and fit fine. The RMC cases I have seen have very thick walls (why they’re great) that will resist most all at-home resizing efforts.
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Re: Help Identifying Belgian Double ellenbr 05/18/21 02:12 PM
http://littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20g/a%20giltay%20h%20gb.htm

Looks like Liège mechanic H. Giltay was pretty prolific during the period?


Serbus,

Raimey
rs
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DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Jump to new posts
Re: Help Identifying Belgian Double smp190 05/18/21 02:08 PM
I will take some pics and post tonight of all markings.

Regards,
Steve
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Re: Ithaca NID 4E oohay 05/18/21 11:51 AM
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Re: Help Identifying Belgian Double ellenbr 05/18/21 11:26 AM
It is a Henri Roux action so with the fences, marks, etc. I would hazard a wild guess of late 1870s or 1880s? The origin of that particular grip safety will more than likely narrow the date range.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse
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DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Jump to new posts
Re: Help Identifying Belgian Double ellenbr 05/18/21 11:24 AM
Are there any touchmarks on the water-table / frame? Could you pleasure us with images of any & all marks?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse
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DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Jump to new posts
Re: Auction? Hal M Hare 05/18/21 11:08 AM
Thanks all for sharing your thoughts and your PM's. I will get some good photos and test the waters of auction alternatives.

Best wishes,
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DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Jump to new posts
Re: Help Identifying Belgian Double smp190 05/18/21 10:59 AM
No worries. I enjoy my martinis as well 😀.
I just wanted to clarify for anybody else that read the post.

Thanks for your replies. Would you have an idea for how old it is?
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DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Jump to new posts
Re: Auction? battle 05/18/21 03:13 AM
Why not sell them yourself? Plenty of internet platforms to sell from, including here.
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Re: Ithaca NID 4E pipeliner 05/18/21 02:53 AM
Don't know how working of a kindle fire.My seller is Roslyn Thanks if anyone can help.gw
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DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Jump to new posts
Re: So when do you hang it up? Ted Schefelbein 05/18/21 02:41 AM
Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
https://3speedtour.com/



_______________________________________________________
I’ll be a first responder to Lonnys’ first grand mall event, but, he is going
to wake up with a bunch of boot marks on his head and groin from me trying to wake him up, before the actual lifesaving starts.

Grand mal maybe?

I bet I outlive every one of you old women. And have 10x more fun.

____________________________
Roll me up and smoke me when I die.

Talk is cheap.
Ride the hill.

Best,
Ted

___________________________________________________
Guys bring antique pipes to show people at the wall, but, nobody
smokes them.
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DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Jump to new posts
Re: Help Identifying Belgian Double Argo44 05/18/21 02:21 AM
I had one martini too many...Sorry. Gosh... Covid, age, what to say.

But in my defense with this picture only....Darn it it looks percussion-like - the case must conceal the break - and looking at the hammers...duhhhhhhh: smile
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DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Jump to new posts
Re: So when do you hang it up? lonesome roads 05/18/21 02:10 AM
Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
https://3speedtour.com/



_______________________________________________________
I’ll be a first responder to Lonnys’ first grand mall event, but, he is going
to wake up with a bunch of boot marks on his head and groin from me trying to wake him up, before the actual lifesaving starts.

Grand mal maybe?

I bet I outlive every one of you old women. And have 10x more fun.



____________________________
Roll me up and smoke me when I die.
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DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Jump to new posts
Re: Help Identifying Belgian Double smp190 05/18/21 01:49 AM
Thanks Argo44, I think it is a nice looking gun however it is a not a percussion gun but a centerfire hammer gun.
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DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Jump to new posts
Re: The pinfire game gun Hal 05/18/21 01:44 AM
Searched a bit and found a Belgian steel fabricator in business since 1830 named New Lachaussee that could account for the "N.L." mark on my gun. Sent them an email asking if they knew what the strange-looking "H" logo might represent, but have not heard back. Still in business making detonators.
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DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Jump to new posts
Re: Help Identifying Belgian Double Argo44 05/18/21 01:40 AM
Strasbourg was part of Germany 1871-1918. Saint Etienne gunmakers bitched about Paris effete barrel makers using Belgian barrels from as early as the 1870's. It looks like this gun went further than that.

This said - beautiful percussion gun.
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DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Jump to new posts
Re: Help Identifying Belgian Double smp190 05/18/21 01:35 AM
Was a grip safety something that was common during that time?
Can you offer a date range for the gun?

Also is there any significance to the gold grown and initials on the trigger guard?


Regards,
Steve
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Re: Help Identifying Belgian Double ellenbr 05/18/21 01:28 AM
Originally Posted by smp190
So Alb. Fornes is the gun builder? or the merchant who the gun was built for? Since Strasbourg is in France, I thought Fornes was a gun builder in France using Belgium proofed barrels.

No, it appears that it passed thru the Liège proof facility so Fornès ordered it from Liège & retailed it.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse
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DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Jump to new posts
Re: Help Identifying Belgian Double ellenbr 05/18/21 01:24 AM
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Serbus,

Raimey
rse
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DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Jump to new posts
Re: Help Identifying French Double smp190 05/18/21 01:23 AM
So Alb. Fornes is the gun builder? or the merchant who the gun was built for? Since Strasbourg is in France, I thought Fornes was a gun builder in France using Belgium proofed barrels.

Regards,
Steve
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