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Don’t feel too bad, Greg, Jimmy ignoring you is just the same as Jimmy paying attention to you…

Only dumber, if that is possible.

Best,
Ted

Once again- sorry, ed.

I didn’t forget winchesters. No way they could be English.

Awesome leftist work at ignoring me Jimbo….here on the right we call that “lies” and the guy who does that a liar.


Best,
Ted

In Jimmy’s advanced mind, since Spanish is spoken in Brazil, the guns made there must be Spanish. All you guys with LC’s, Parker’s, Fox etc really own English guns! Hell, English is even the #1 language in America, for the time being.

This is an ad in a popular Canadian everything gun forum. My thinking is for a $4500 gun if you are too lazy to provide any more information it is indicative of the person I am going to have to deal with should I decide this gun is of interest. No pictures and no information. Is this guy too disinterested or too lazy? What is there to get my interest? ( I see this in US ad's but not as often.) What information should be in an ad?

"For sale,

A William Cashmore sidelock side by side in 12 bore.

$ 4,500.00 or best offer.

Pictures by email"

Just to close this thread, FAB reported that the Manufrance gun SN records exist and are kept at Archives Departmentales de la Loire. He also said that it has been several years since they have responded to emails or written correspondence. FAB said to find the records you are looking for, you'll have to go to St. Etienne directly. Unlike British archives, who will do the research for you for a charge, the French apparently regard such arrangements as unseemly capitalism.

After Two emails and a snail letter, I've received absolutely nothing back from Loire Archives. I guess that's the way it is until someone changes the bureaucratic mindset there.

Jimmy,
So glad you are still providing facts that you are ignoring me.

Sorry you got all butt-hurt when I made a fool of you by pointing out Portuguese is by far the most common language spoken in Brazil, and Spanish guns have nothing to do with Brazil, or, vice versa. It was an amateur mistake, looked dumb, but, whatever. Your political beliefs and reliance on google for any/all information have prepared us well for what to expect from you. You never fail to deliver!

Please feel free to keep ignoring me.

Thanks so much.

Best,
Ted

Jimmy,
I am replying to Graham, one of the more qualified adults in the room here at doublegunshop. Please go back to ignoring me for a while, until I get through this.

Best,
Ted

Thanks for the emails ........

Graham,
Back when the Spanish left imposed a yearly tax on its citizens for the privilege of owning a firearm, many of them were dumped here in the states. It was a large dump, and it drove the prices of everything Spanish down for a few years. Prices paid even for Spanish guns that had always been here declined.
I bought a US spec Ugartechia boxlock for $400, off one of the gun selling websites. It has 3” chambers and proof, along with a slim beavertail forearm, things that importers seemed to think all Americans wanted in a gun, circa 1972.
The fit and finish is a bit spotty, but, it cleaned up nicely and I have opened the chokes to cylinder and IC, and shoot a bit of skeet with it, here and there, and use it when hunting with friends that own clumsy Labradors. It is fitted with disc set strikers, and, lo and behold, they come right out for service. A previous imported supplied me with the tool to remove them, and a spare set of strikers.
In the continuing leftist drive to hamper and eventually eliminate hunting and gun ownership, my state is considering mandating non toxic shot for upland hunting, on the basis of deeply flawed science. It is, of course, not about the science, anyway. I had this gun for sale for some time, but, changed my mind, and come the time, I suspect it will be adequate to shoot steel loads in the years I have left to hunt and be pursued by idiots on the left.
Most of the Uggies I have handled were plain, serviceable implements for field use.





Best,
Ted

Got 2 cases (10 boxes each) of RST 12 gauge Lite 2.5 inch-1oz-1175fps
Most #7.5, with approximately 4 boxes of #8. Will be at the Southern on Friday 4/26/24
PM me for additional info if interested. Bruce

I guarantee you that syrup was still good when you threw it out. I came across some honey which was over 30 years old. It was still fine. High concentrations of sugars seem to keep longer than we expect. It is sad that a long honored brand name is suddenly racist. Aunt Jemima and uncle Ben are such suppressed people. Do not forget the Native American or Native Canadian who was on a butter brand. All racist emblems of suppression and exploitation.

Good question Ford. I will see if I can find out.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

I have a lang which was converted from pinfire to center fire. A couple years ago I came across a WRichards which was a muzzleloader converted to center fire and a pinfire which was converted to center fire by Manson a cleaver block added to the rear of the action that held the firing pins. Barrels had been shortened about 3/4” and rechambered. Must have worked because it pass proof twice. Good barrels were repurposed instead of being scrapped. And labor was cheap.

Don't have a gun by either. I do appreciate the advert, very good! Near where I live now is a now defunct hardware store that had a large, eight feet or so W.R. Case folding knife out front. Similar idea. Case knives are another distraction I enjoy! Thanks!

Chief

Very nice. Over here there are too many Nancys and it wouldn't stay up long.

LRF,
I feel for you brother, my problems are also service connected caused by agent orange and hearing loss from rifle range and heavy construction equipment. I didn't choose to use the VA system for my medical services because my wife was on my BCBS Federal and I needed to keep it. At least, we caught the prostate cancer early enough to stop it. Friends didn't find it soon enough.
Mike

Spanish isn’t even in the top three, in Brazil, Jimmy:

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-languages-are-spoken-in-brazil.html

You’d know a lot more if you didn’t ignore so many things, Jimmy.

But, hey, ignorance IS correctable. Let me, who you are ignoring, assist you.

Best,
Ted

When I clicked on the links, some porn site took the images over and there was only about a second of the gun's images. In that short time, they reminded me of a Heym.
Mike

Chronologically, where does Alfred Sanders fit in? I have a nice back action hammer double with 'A. Sanders' and the Bank Street address on it. Are there any records from Sanders?

Forum members who have guns by either of the above gunmakers may be interested in this trade sign that remains in Bank Street Maidstone.

Photo from Google Street View.

The guns appear to be made of painted wood and from my recollection are about twice life size.

As they depict hammer guns and ALFRED Sanders succeeded to the business at 79 Bank Street in the mid-1890’s they may well date back to John Swinfen’s ownership.

Doing some research on a gun I am purchasing and noticed in the W&C Scott History that there is an anomaly in the early numbers I hadn't noticed. Numbers 1 to 1000 are the 1865-1868 guns. The 1000-2000 numbers are the 1868-1871 guns. They then start single year assignments so that 2000-3000 are all 1871. However, the numbers starting at 10,000 have different starting dates. 10,000 -11,000 are 1878, but the 11,000 are 1866, 12,000 are 1867-1868 etc. This continues through the 20,000 numbers and then becomes sequential through 1896.

For instance, an 1871 gun could have a 2000 number or a 15000 number, an 1876 gun could have a 7000 or a 21000 number, etc.

Does anyone know the reason for this? Were different ranges assigned to guns according to grade, proof house or something else? Proofhouse might make sense, but they generally offered three grades not two. One possibility would be that the base grades had one series and the A and Bgrades another. American makers had systems like this depending on gauge, model etc, but I have never seen this mentioned pertaining to Scott.

edited by Lynn original did not pertain to the reason for this thread