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LRF,
I feel for you brother, my problems are also service connected caused by agent orange and hearing loss from rifle range and heavy construction equipment. I didn't choose to use the VA system for my medical services because my wife was on my BCBS Federal and I needed to keep it. At least, we caught the prostate cancer early enough to stop it. Friends didn't find it soon enough.
Mike

Spanish isn’t even in the top three, in Brazil, Jimmy:

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-languages-are-spoken-in-brazil.html

You’d know a lot more if you didn’t ignore so many things, Jimmy.

But, hey, ignorance IS correctable. Let me, who you are ignoring, assist you.

Best,
Ted

When I clicked on the links, some porn site took the images over and there was only about a second of the gun's images. In that short time, they reminded me of a Heym.
Mike

Chronologically, where does Alfred Sanders fit in? I have a nice back action hammer double with 'A. Sanders' and the Bank Street address on it. Are there any records from Sanders?

Forum members who have guns by either of the above gunmakers may be interested in this trade sign that remains in Bank Street Maidstone.

Photo from Google Street View.

The guns appear to be made of painted wood and from my recollection are about twice life size.

As they depict hammer guns and ALFRED Sanders succeeded to the business at 79 Bank Street in the mid-1890’s they may well date back to John Swinfen’s ownership.

Doing some research on a gun I am purchasing and noticed in the W&C Scott History that there is an anomaly in the early numbers I hadn't noticed. Numbers 1 to 1000 are the 1865-1868 guns. The 1000-2000 numbers are the 1868-1871 guns. They then start single year assignments so that 2000-3000 are all 1871. However, the numbers starting at 10,000 have different starting dates. 10,000 -11,000 are 1878, but the 11,000 are 1866, 12,000 are 1867-1868 etc. This continues through the 20,000 numbers and then becomes sequential through 1896.

For instance, an 1871 gun could have a 2000 number or a 15000 number, an 1876 gun could have a 7000 or a 21000 number, etc.

Does anyone know the reason for this? Were different ranges assigned to guns according to grade, proof house or something else? Proofhouse might make sense, but they generally offered three grades not two. One possibility would be that the base grades had one series and the A and Bgrades another. American makers had systems like this depending on gauge, model etc, but I have never seen this mentioned pertaining to Scott.

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edited by Lynn original did not pertain to the reason for this thread

Raimey,
He had a son and two grandsons, were any of them in the business(or his granddaughter)?
Mike

LRF,
I picked up on your comment about only being able to stand at the mill for an hour. If neuropathy is involved, my advice is if you have to stay in a hospital for more than overnight take your neuropathy meds and insist they give them to you.They will resist and claim they can only give meds from their pharmacy, and they may not have what you need. If you are put on "nothing by mouth", as soon as you move to a liquid diet, insist on the meds. If necessary, have a family member run the doctor down and insist on them. They will insist that they are too busy keeping you alive and I agree that is important, but if you make them understand the importance they are smart enough to mitigate additional loss of use of your legs. This is especially important if you have to go to 'rehab" because it takes a long time and there is no medical reason you can't have the meds (it may only be your doctor isn't in the system). Whatever you lose, you can't get back. Don't ask how I know; I would be happy if I could stand an hour.
Mike

Their new catalog is to die for.

Just thought people might want to know.

The conversions are often interesting. Most conversions reused barrels, furniture, etc , depending on the donor. Here's a Greener conversion, or retro-conversion from pinfire to percussion/muzzleloader.

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/W.-W.-GREENER-A-12-BORE-PINFIRE-HAMMER-GUN,-NO.-7-226-c-7164CB0923?utm_source=egemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=lot_abandonment

One of the Greats, a Czech mechanic, Hans Jiricek has passed away. Jiricek left his Czech home & immigrated in Vienna to apprentice at Springer(JSE) in 1944 where he witnessed the horrific thumb of the Nazis. Hansi Jiricek hung out his stocker shingle in 1957 & remained an independent Stocker till his retirement. Another of the Greatest Generation that has left us...


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Had a similar set on a 54 Winchester Hornet at one time. As I recall they were a pain in the butt to adjust.

John

And by the way... for those who don't know it- in 2005 Brazilian President, Lula Da Silva, approved a bill to make Spanish the country's 2nd language. 😊 Now can we please get back to the subject, ed started before anyone else makes any silly comments.

I have always liked conversions, I restored this one some time ago. Lots of work as Gunman has said. A time when labor was cheap and good barrels were worth saving. I believe the stock and lock were repurposed on this rifle as well.

If you weren’t ignoring me, Jimmy, you would learn that Portuguese is the language spoken in Brazil.

You ignore a lot of things.

Ignorance, is bliss.

Best,
Ted

Agree with Gunman. Here is the advertisement for 10354 posted above; only the barrels were retained. I disagree with the date of the conversion putting at 1880 rather late 1890's. The case trade label is pre 1881.

http://www.icollector.com/Cased-Eng...by-John-Fry-Derby-400-Kynoch-2_i19846957

Cased English SxS double rifle by Reilly of London and converted by John cf Derby, .400 Kynoch 2” caliber, 27” brown damascus barrels with matte rib fitted with triple folding rear sight and marked “Reilly 502 New Oxford Street London” and also“Converted BY John Fry Derby”; original barrels appear to have been silver soldered to a monoblock and a new receiver, underlever, hammers and stock provided during the conversion. The original gun likely was circa 1848 to 1858 with the conversion by Fry occurring sometime between 1895 and 1904 per a write-up provided by the consignor. Overall, the rifle appears to be in good condition as converted with a pleasing patina to metal surfaces; the bores are very good, the actionscrisp and the butt stock and forend overall good to very good; the casing is overall good with wood cleaning rod, cleaning brush and interior paper E. M. Reilly & Co. label; also accompanied with 40 Ballard Rifle and Cartridge, LLC .400 Kynoch 2” unprimed brass cartridge cases. (Antique). Est.: $1,500-$3,000.

Yes. I said I realize that now. They do speak Spanish in Brazil, but that specific gun isn't considered Spanish. That is why I originally asked. Thank you!! 😊

No, they aren´t.

The question asked by ed good was about Spanish boxlock gun makers.

Regards!

AyA's although not the best finished guns in comparison to some others are mechanically and materially wise in the top 3 in my opinion .
Ugartachea's although mainly a plain gun ,are a good solidly made work horse and I have every respect for them .

My two cents .If it was converted from muzzle loading then I would imagine only the barrels have been used .Converted from pinfire may be ,but the amount of work involved to convert a it from muzzle loader to this beech loader is huge .It would have been simpler to make from scratch

Dual extractor catches the rim of the cartridge at 9 and 3 o'clock for a very positive extraction. It's also much less likely to break the extractor if the case gets a bit sticky to extract.

Hammers look like Charles Lancaster’s CF - the firing pins set low and more inline.
Repurposing ML barrels certainly was done.
Nice looking Reilly.