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You guys are truly amazing and what has been posted here by Stephen and Aaron is a primer in the origin of the break-action/center-break gun.

Having read Stephen's article in Diggory's on-line publication, however, this observer believes he has a point. Beringer like Lefaucheax exhibited at the Crystal Palace fair. No matter what the history was between Lefaucheux and Beringer during the 1840's by 1851 both designs were in production and clearly identifiable. Hodges looks to have used a single bite for his first gun which Lang copied - at least per the gun sketched in 1856, which clearly had a single bite though using a Lefaucheux style under-lever.



It would appear then that though Lefaucheux got the sketches in the press from 1851, it was Beringer who provided the engineering for the orignal UK copies.


That may be the reason that when Blanch sent his employee to Paris to buy a center-break gun to reverse engineer in November 1855, he bought a Beringer not a Lefaucheux.

Just an observation on what seems logical from an 1850's point of view. And I'll add one of the French words for "underlever" is "cle Beringer" (Beringer key)

Two years ago, I bought an unopened 5# tin of 7625 for about $34/lb. I'd buy it again for that money or maybe a little more. loads for 7625 tend to be heavier than for some other powders, so a pound doesn't stretch as far as with others. Are you selling some or did you trip over some?

The SASSS Facebook site maintains a list of SxS shoots around the country. Great to hear about the huge turnout at the Gentleman's Cup.

Mike:

You have to join your brother on his turkey hunts. Those are two nice birds right there. Nicely done. Russ

These wonderful powders are no longer made, so if you want some, now if the time to jump

8 pounds should sell for$400 or more

$50.00 a pound is a decent price today

Mike

p.s.

https://www.powdervalley.com/product-category/reloading-supplies/powder/smokeless-powder/


https://shop.hodgdon.com/shop-all/?_bc_fsnf=1&Group=Smokeless+Powder

What’s your guess about the value of 8 lb unopened containers of both 7625 and PB?

I had a chance to buy one of these several years ago at the Grand American in Vandalia, Ohio. I believe Jaqua's had it for sale. It was really worn so I chose to pass on it. I was probably more interested in the Model 21s at the time. Gorgeous guns!!

I have seen that infinity (∞) with the ends cut out many times but for now I cannot attribute it to one single mechanic. Maybe on at the Ferlacher Maschinenhaus?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

A Turnbull Restoration. Sousa Grade Trap Gun.

A Sousa Grade. At one time, John Philip Sousa was the President of the ATA.

Can you pleasure us with a tube length?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Pure Ferlacher from 1926 Jani will have to inform us of how many of those Southpaws were rolled out. Krupp steel rolled in Ferlach too. 1st pass in 1925 @ 13.5mm and then final pass in 1926. Dolphin style tall hammer, sideclips; what is not to like. Does the top lever rotate left?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Greg,
Unfortunately, Paul Harm has decided not to have the usual SxS event at the Lapeer Sportsman Club this year. A real loss for those who enjoyed it.
Karl

Thanks, Aaron, that's very useful (and new to me). Time to revise my notes...

Additionally, Lefaucheux's 1832 patent has a different action that is much more similar to the Béringer single-bite action that he would patent a couple years later.

I am not sure how I missed this Béringer stuff and your article! (probably the same way you must've missed my Lefaucheux-Béringer article on the topic):

But Lefaucheux was also making "lever-over-guard" designs by at least 1835. I think this was one of the design characteristics he sued Béringer for using a couple years later. Béringer also sued Lefaucheux and in the end they both settled with Lefaucheux licensing some of Béringer's cartridge characteristics.



See section g which translates to: "same key using the trigger guard as a lever."

And a pistol from my collection using the system. Shotguns exist too:





But it is definitely still the typical early double-bite system.

Properly trained firefighters are not afraid of ammunition cooking off. As the videos that are linked above show, it's no hazard. Of course black powder is another story but in 41 years of service I never witnessed an incident involving black powder.

I was told about an incident that occurred several months ago where a volunteer fire department in a rural area allowed two houses to burn because of some ammo cooking off. That's unnecessary and a damn shame. Seems an obvious lack of training.

I will tell you that all the spray cans, solvents and cans of gasoline in your garage can make things interesting.

Yeah. Amazing what those old Remington Nylon 66 rifles sell for now.

I have to second Daryl and Stanton's comments. Take some good pics, compile a good description and post it here, in the fore sale section! You have a good and possibly willing audience!

Chief

And incase anyone wants to know if these answers are the same for large quantities of black powder cartridges: https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/large-quantities-of-black-powder-ammunition-in-fire/28099

Sad to learn about Erik, remember him from Shooting Sportsman, way back then! Good shooting folks!
Chief

The original post mentioned ExtraWood, so that's what I was basing the response on. I had never heard of the ExtraGrain.

They all kind of reminded me of the plastic stocked single shot shotguns of the 50's and 60's.

If you only want moisture/grime control any good paste wax will do. Not going to gain any ground improving the unimprovable.

Chief

Just ordered mine. I was told it was looking like the first week of June for shipping. I just purchased the entire set from a member of another group from 2017 back to 1989. It included the first two indexes. The newer issues I already had. Looking forward to it.