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RyanF: The 1889 F grade Lefever I was checking out earlier this week certainly looked like English walnut to me. Most of the better doubleguns being made in this country (in the 1880s through the 1890s) used this "better" wood for a number of reasons, arguably the biggest being bragging-rights (they were competing with each other and even imported British guns for the more well-heeled market here). You really could order what you wanted in those days and most wanted English walnut or better (arguably, French).

Homesteader, I looked at the photo of your L.C. Smith, and am extremely skeptical that this is some original and rare grade or variant. More like 100% skeptical.

Take a good look at the picture. The lock is stamped L.C. Smith in the usual location. There is dark grime, dirt, or whatever down in those stamped letters. Then look at the crude "Mark's Special" engraving. It was obviously added after the gun was case hardened. We can see remnants of the original case hardening colors. Engraving is almost always done before case hardening, because it is much tougher to cleanly cut the case hardened surface. The engraving cuts are shiny and not filled with the same grime or dirt that is seen in the stamped L.C. Smith lettering.

There is nothing here that should compel anyone to go off on a wild internet search, looking for some old defunct Mark's Hardware Store or Emporium that might have commissioned Hunter Arms Co. to produce a shotgun with Mark's name on it. There is nothing here to remotely suggest this was built as a presentation gun for Mark Twain, or Mark Zuckerberg either.


It might be entertaining to start a new Thread, just to see who might be naive enough to think you have something almost as rare as the Czar's Parker. I'd suggest you simply accept the gun for what it appears to be... a well used 00 grade L.C. Smith that has been altered with crude added engraving, well after it was built. It is not some rare variation that would be the heart's desire of any intelligent L.C. Smith collector. If it is safe to shoot, then use it as a Rainy-Day-Loan-it-to-Your-Brother-in-Law gun. Don't waste good money on a Factory Letter as you were advised on the L.C. Smith forum. Keep the money to buy some appropriate low pressure shells instead.

I last spoke to Robert about 4 years ago. Not well and mostly blind. Could no longer read his computer. I don’t think he follows these forums anymore. While Robert was/is extremely knowledgeable I’m sure others can help you. Take Shotgunjones’s advice.

I suggest you start a new thread, and let this one die... again.

What brand or type of checkering tools would you all recommend for a novice who wants to clean up old worn and clogged up with varnish etc. checkering.

Thanks,
John

Is the right hammer a replacement? I can’t tell from the pictures.

Nice old gun.

Best,
Ted

Anybody?

It's a 1901 Grade 00 gun. I think the simplest engraving started with their Grade 1 guns, so this seems some thing special I'm trying to find the history about.

https://members.boardhost.com/lcsmith/msg/1713134025.html

Wow, what a nice Scott! Great condition all the way around, checkering is in amazingly good shape. I don't believe it's ever been redone. A real peach.
JR

Well, just to to imgbox & upload a stack of fotos & choose >>Adult Version<< and then post. When you view you will have all you wish & more.


Serbus,

Raimey
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I am kind of interested in the porn, but it seems to be deleted.

Indeed. He is racking up negatives pretty regularly now. Interesting that he is an "A" rated seller. I wonder how far he has to slip to become a "B"?

Read the last negative comment from the buyer. Most likely.

I would question the originality of the 26" barrels. What is the bore diameter and choke constriction? They would add some hints about the originality of those barrels.

In earlier times, the solid rib was not as disrespected by trapshooters as it is today. It is possible that a stock with less drop than field dimension could have been a trap gun. A stock with a 14 3/8" or more would prove it to be a trap stock. Trap Superposed guns were made with buttplates rather than recoil pads in the early days, all the way into the fifties.

I have seen this with many other triggers besides Jewel. When CZ first brought their center fire carbine, it had a set trigger. It was bad about the same thing, and experimentation showed that there was no way to get out of it. If you set the trigger with a chambered round and set the safety, there no course but to find a safe place to point it and hold on while you flipped the safety off. If I remember correctly, you could not cycle the bolt on safe. I suspect this is the reason the trigger wasn't sold for long. They did the same thing in a way with their factory replacement fot their rimfire rifles. Called a Hummingbird or something similar. Great trigger, but very easy to adjust past the point of reliability.

With the Jewel, it is sometimes related to the action and trigger needing to be timed as to engagement. It is more common with commercial and modified commercial actions than with high end clone actions.

What's fake about the Luger? I don't know a thing about them.

I see he has several more items with the same over-hyped salesmanship. Are they all crooked?

Exquisite engraving!! On both guns!!👍

Well, the fraudulent seller just got another NEGATIVE from a guy that paid about $3,500 for a Luger that was faked.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1042425415

But the fraudulent seller is still selling on Gunbroker. Gunbroker has done nothing to stop him.

Looks good Bob

Sweet!

Kudos!

Nice stockwork

Pre-1913 Smiths were listed with some gradation of English Walnut, and French Walnut on higher grades

Made of Wow, Mister Cash. Please drop me your address so I can plan my retirement and dotage around burglarizing you and shooting porcelain penguins with that thing until its wood splits.

To finish this inquiry, these questions were really raised at last September Vintegers' shoot in Pennsylvania when I looked over a John Dickson central-fire dated per his records from 1865. On holding it I immediately said "converted pin-fire" and was met with hostility. The records proved me wrong.

https://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=635255

Nice gun, AGS.