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#600550 07/30/2021 7:57 PM
by vam5067
vam5067
Got a new boomstick now seeing if the big brains can help decipher a maker/craftsman. Gun seems to have all the bells and whistles.[img]http://ibb.co/Hr8fzvT
[img]http://ibb.co/JjPQ97d[/img]
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#600552 Jul 30th a 08:39 PM
by Drew Hause
Drew Hause
This will get you started
https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=232252

Possibly Charles Masquelier
http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20ma/a%20masquelier%20gb.htm

By the font I suspect C&M was the importer. Is there nothing on the rib?

It was made 1910 to 1921; there is no lettre annale
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#600556 Jul 30th a 09:25 PM
by ellenbr
ellenbr
[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]

Fantastic piece of wood.


[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]

[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]

Whitworth had to be sourced out of England.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse
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#600557 Jul 30th a 09:33 PM
by Drew Hause
Drew Hause
M.C. possibly Charles Masquelier
The Belgian initials were often last name first.

C&M may have been the jobber for the Whitworth tubes.

65mm = 2 1/2" chambers
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#600570 Jul 30th a 11:31 PM
by graybeardtmm3
graybeardtmm3
if it's a masquelier gun, it should have his mark, which is a stylized "mask"....somewhat triangular in shape if my memory is correct...should be on the water table....please give a shot of the flats.

looks like there are two different numbers on the tubes....right tube looks like 35705, and left tube is easier to read at 35786 - those may be tube numbers, not serial numbers. also see 654 stamped rather lightly on the right barrel flat...is that the serial #?

as docdrew observes, there is no lettre annale....so it's pre 1922.

best regards,
tom
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#600577 Jul 31st a 01:31 AM
by ellenbr
ellenbr
That's the water-table.

[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]

Southgate ejectors

[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]

Just doesn't get any better than that on the locks.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse
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#600594 Jul 31st a 11:15 AM
by Parabola
Parabola
They appear to be chopper lump barrels. A good quality gun.

I The tube numbers are probably sequential 35785-6. Did Whiworth number their tubes when applying their sheaf mark or did the agent or importer number them?

I do not think that there was a patent use mark for Whitworth Fluid Pressed Steel but I stand open to be corrected?
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#600602 Jul 31st a 11:51 AM
by Drew Hause
Drew Hause
The AD is very likely an inspector's mark rather than a maker's mark.
Yes, Whitworth did number their tubes.
Littlegun does not list a N. Jacquet gun maker so he was likely the lock maker.

Odd for a gun of this quality to have no clear indication of the maker.
Littlegun states that Charles did not take over Masquelier Freres until 1925.
It is possible the gun was made for a dealer by Charles, but for some reason never marked by the dealer, which was usually on the rib.
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#600611 Jul 31st a 12:51 PM
by ellenbr
ellenbr
I can't say but further disassembly more than likely will not ferret out the maker. So, it would be a Liège tradegun being a superposition of talented mechanics & components. Possibly cobbled together during WWI or just after when times were difficult?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse
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#600627 Jul 31st a 03:26 PM
by Parabola
Parabola
I have just checked my 1895 Edwinson Green BLE which has Whitworth chopper lump tubes, 3 Guineas extra (£3/3/0d) on top of the basic price of £35. No mention of the supplier of the tubes ( or frustratingly of the engraver).

Each tube has Whitworth’s Sheaf trade mark and wording clearly stamped but no tube number as such.

However the gun number 5XXX is stamped on each tube on either side of the base of the barrel loop.

It may be that to avoid having different numbers on the gun Green struck down the tubes at that point to remove the Whitworth number and apply their own.

By contrast an Edwinson Green BLNE from 1912 built with KRUPP—FLUSS-STAHL tubes has no tube numbers but just the gun number 6XXX stamped in one place near the Proof marks on the barrel flat.

Parabola
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