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by Vic Venters
Vic Venters
Hi Fellas:

I have examined a very nice made and engraved 16-ga boxlock for a friend, with German-style gamescenes, Greener crossbolt, and sideclips. Haven't be able to find much on Herr Kuntze of Leipzig, except one drilling offered at Julias some time ago, also high-quality. Would anyone know a bit more about him? The drilling at Julia's has German proofmarks, but this gun's action and barrels are from Liege. The Liege proofmarks indicate it was made sometime between 1892 to mid- to late'-20s.

The stock, with a cheekpiece, and the engraving appear very German. The bores, chambers and chokes are pristine and exactly match the specs it was proofed at. Neither the bores nor the bluing have ever been touched, and it has been well cared for. Wall thickness .028" R and .028" Left.

The odd thing is that the barrels were never Nitro proved -- it has Liege's provisional and definitive Black Powder proofs. Seems a bit late for BP only?

The barrels are of Cockerill Steel but 'steel' is spelled in German "stahl"

I'm speculating but thinking a barreled action was sourced in Liege but stocked and engraved in Germany?

Any thoughts most appreciated -- I'm a bit outside my comfort zone with vintage German guns and would love to learn more.

Many thanks,

Sincerely,

Vic
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by ellenbr
ellenbr
No, the Germans were in management and overseeing production in Liège from the mid to late 1890s till WWII. The Germans didn't make any run of the mill rough bored tubes but rather purchased all their rough bored tubes from the talented mechanics in Liège. Too, the Germans pushed the Liège makers around forcing them to update their proof rules to match those of Liège in order to have reciprocity and sell their wares to the Germans. FN, Pieper, etc., had German management or were German natives. The Germans wanted to capitalize on large production and cheap labour of the talented mechanics in Liège. I believe the Suhl makers possibly sourced Liège more than Zella - Mehlis?

Serbus,

Raimey
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by ellenbr
ellenbr
That's just the type guy I am.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse
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