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#608047 12/18/2021 10:45 PM
by Lloyd3
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Damaged goods here today. Foolish, but educational. My wife makes an elk dish that we serve regularly to guests that is called "Elk Jack Daniels". Grilled elk medallions covered in caramelized slivered onions with a bourbon sauce. The recipe comes from "A Taste of the Wild" which is one of AJ MacClean's (of fly-fishing fame) last published works (his obituary finally explained his amazing writing prowess (i.e.., MacClean's Fishing Encyclopedia(!))...he was a spook (CIA!) but, I digress. We have had to modify most (is not all) of our cooking here because of my long-term battle with Lyme's Disease so... Jack Daniels isn't on my safe consumption list anymore. Distillation should render every resulting alcohol gluten-free but, it doesn't actually (at least for me). Trace components of the original grains still come through the process, making the derived liquor persona non grata for folks that suffer from any wheat or grain allergies (such as yours truly). I had discovered an all-corn bourbon several years ago made in the Hudson valley that we'd used for several years (Baby Bourbon) but sadly... that option is no-longer available. Enter Koval Bourbon (made from a 51% corn and 49% millet mash) https://thewhiskeywash.com/whiskey-styles/bourbon/whiskey-review-koval-bourbon/. Did some unscientific research last night and was very pleasantly surprised. Looking forward to that next opportunity to make elk JD yet again. FWIW, there are also some sorghum-based whiskies now that need to be researched when time allows.
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#608053 Dec 19th a 01:29 AM
by AGS
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Jack Daniels is not Bourbon by their own labelling. There are several things that define a bourbon: distillation limits, max and min proof, detailed aging requirements etc. Whether JD meets all these or not I don't know. JD labels their whiskey a sour mash, as does their much superior rival George Dickle. Most bourbons, especially the premium ones, are sour mash whiskeys but they are not required to be. However all sour mash whiskys do not qualify as bourbon.

As an aside, your statement about distillation removing gluten is simply not true. Mash, being basically a water/ alcohol mix would never exceed 212 deg in the still. Even a pot still with direct firing, which no one uses industrially, would likely never approach a hot wall temperature high enough to start breaking down glutens, generally thought to be 500 deg F. If they did all break down, the liquor would probably taste and smell burnt.

The other thing is that unless especially grown on non-grains, the yeast will contain glutens. Distillaries absolutely don't use such yeasts. Most better ones use a sour mash process which is a continuous recycle and they all are protective and secretive about their own yeast, considering it a trade secret and using their own recovered on site. Even commercial ethanol facilities processing pure corn choose yeasts based on conversion efficiency and yield.

Bottomline is that any fermented drink likely contains glutens with no exception. No mater what grain is used, the yeast itself will more than likely contaminate the liquor.

I'll mention this isn't guessing. I am a retired professional chemical engineer, worked designing distillation systems my whole life including major ethanol installations and served on the technical advisory committee for one of the best known industry distillation research institutes. If you want to consume any fermented liquor in any form and avoid glutens, it is a crapshoot and simply looking t grain recipes is a non starter.
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