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eeb, John Roberts, mc, SKB, Stanton Hillis, Ted Schefelbein
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by ed good
ed good
found this...

https://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/2010/06/barrel-making-steel-barrels.html

note the last paragraph...

The rise of smokeless powders also had a lot to do with the decline of damascus barrels. Smokeless powders generate a lot more force than black powders. Smokeless powders also burn along the length of the barrel since they're slower burning than black powders, which mainly burn at the breech end and blow out an unburnt quantity out of the muzzle. Many damascus barrels couldn't withstand such pressures and those that could needed a lot more time and effort to manufacture. Hence steel barrels became more and more popular as smokeless powder became prevalent.

does this support my contention that it is dangerous to shoot smokeless powder in twist steel shotgun barrels?

and, doc drew, your input is particularly soliciated...
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by canvasback
canvasback
Ed, in tests done by the Birmingham Proof House (or maybe London), back when fluid steel was in the midst of taking over the barrel market, it was demonstrated pretty conclusively that damascus barrels were at least as strong, and most likely stronger, than fluid steel. The fluid steel barrels tended to fail before the Damascus. Today there are 1000s and 1000s of Damascus barreled gun being use, fired and no one is losing eyes or fingers. It's about educating oneself. Try it sometime.

The decline of Damascus likely has more to do with the 100 year long PR/misinformation campaign by the industry in order to get people to buy new guns. Even today, you for example, are propagating unfounded speculation as fact. Go to any shotgun forum that isn't comprised of members as well informed as the members here and it is a non stop barrage of how dangerous Damascus is.

Perhaps, the simple and best solution for you is to just remove yourself from the equation. Stop buying and selling Damascus.

We used to have to read your misinformed blather about colour case hardening. Only took about 10 years of metaphorically beating you about the head to get you off that subject. Please don't subject us to another 10 years of idiocy on Damascus barrels.
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by damascus
damascus
I think Jack Rowe had some wise words when he said in one of his tutorials to make it short "was he using reloads?" Had the chambers been extended from original? If the answer is yes to either question Not a leg to stand on.
My personal view would you expect your grand parents or great grand parents to run Marathons, Skeet!
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by mc
mc
It was cost and cost alone that doomed Damascus,twist,barrels Damascus barrels are incredibly labor intensive
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by canvasback
canvasback
70 degrees here. No clouds and a light breeze. I’m working around the house so it’s perfect. Although getting close to beer o’clock.
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by canvasback
canvasback
Originally Posted by ed good
mc, unlike doc drew i am not a collector of data...hence i have nothing to publish...

much of my beliefs re twist barrels are based on cautious common sense derived from what i have seen and heard over the past 40 years or so...

neither you nor others are required to agree with me...but then, dont say you were not warned...

So if I understand you correctly, you aren't asking questions here ( as you had previously suggested).....you are attempting to convince us that Damascus barrels are unsafe to shoot.

The NRA article is simply exaggerated fearmongering and nothing in the other two doesn't equally apply to any fluid steel vintage barrel.

Ed, don't buy, sell or shoot Damascus barreled guns. And leave us alone. You never convinced anyone regarding your BS about CCH and none of us need to be convinced by your Damascus barrel fearmongering.
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